From the headline of the ABC article -
:shrugs:
Shodan’s rule of thumb - if they didn’t read it the first time, they won’t read it the second either.
Regards,
Shodan
Nice. Turning a claim of harrassment into a call for suppression of religion. Good spin.
Where does that say anything about them trying to prevent the other girls from praying? Did you read anything beyond the headline? The girl requested nothing but to be left out of the prayer.
Yeah, to me it sounds like they’re suing to get the harassment to stop. They’re using the Constitution as leverage. They’re not trying to get all prayer stopped. A lucid reading of the article makes that clear.
Maybe it’s the difference between reading the text and hearing the inflections. Seeing the eyes and faces. My impression was that the girl would sooner be back playing football, and that the father wanted to make a point about his own worldview. It’s the same thing I say about Phelps’s children — or at least, his grandchildren now. Like I said, there was never a problem raised until the basketball team wanted to pray. The girl felt left out, sure. But instead of teaching her tolerance of others and explaining to her that there are people with heartfelt faith, he chose to make a scene. To whore himself on television. And to convince her that they all hated her. It was the kind of thing that, once he had his claws in it, it was bound to snowball.
Lib, you must be reading something far different than I am. Can you provide a link?
Like I said, my take is from the show itself. Whether it’s online, I don’t know. I watched it Saturday night.
Jesus, what a crock of shit. The problem wasn’t that the girls on the team wanted to pray and it wasn’t that the girl felt “left out” (where do you get the idea that an atheist would feel “left out” if other people prayed. Why the fuck would they want to be included in that?). The problem was that the school tried to punish her for not joining in the prayer.
Once again, can either you or Shodan please either support your contention that anyone in this family tried to prevent the others from praying or retract it? In what manner, shape or fashion has anyone in this family been intolerant of others? Do you really see declining to join in a prayer circle as “intolerant?” I guess you do.
Yes – some people pay attention to the actual facts (pretty much everybody else); some people pay attention to the natterings of whatever voice is echoing inside their heads at the moment (you).
The voices come through the TV speakers. I mean gah, you don’t have to be both ignorant AND stupid.
What part of the show made any claim that the family wanted to stop anybody else from praying?
I feel like your posts in this thread are giving me some real insight into the Christian Persecution Complex. Merely seeing a person decline to join in a prayer circle is aparently seen a threat – an imposition of values – even as an attempt to actively repress Christian expressions of religion. Fascinating. This gives nontheists no choice but to either conform to the group or be seen as an enemy.
The show (if this is the one Liberal meant) is onYouTube
I am one third through and have to ask, why did the interviewer think it important to try to debate the existence of god with the father?
I didn’t see the show, but that’s not what I’m getting. You seem to be under the impression that the girl is merely copying her father’s belief system rather than thinking for herself. That’s certainly possible, but my reading of the articles says to me that she knows full well what she’s doing. And that the father’s actions are the actions of someone protecting his family, not attention whoring.
I missed this admission in reading the link I picked out of the google search. It seemed more like she was accused of stealing by people who needed a legitimate reason to kick her off the team instead of their real reason - she doesn’t believe in God. It read as though they lied to keep their Christianity pure, there’s so much wrong about that I can’t even begin.
In which story did she admit to theft?
Because the media still thinks of atheists as abnormal – as disreputable – as morally suspect weirdos, like Satanists or Communists. I don’t think the interviewer was acting any differently than the average person on the street reacts to an atheist. I would estimate that about 75% of the people I tell that I don’t believe in God want to argue with me about it or demand that I justify it (almost always with the same tired appeals to incredulity, teleology and the cosmological argument).
In the video she makes the claim that she borrowed the shoes and when she gave them back the other girl said, “Thank you.” Obviously, she is a godless liar :rolleyes:
ETA: Diogenes the Cynic, same thing happens to me too, I would have thought a professional journalist could stay on track though.
Considering the school tried to trump up another bogus charge that she threatened to “kill” another girl as an excuse to kick her off the team a second time, I don’t buy the “shoe-stealing” charge for a second.
If someone else’s already pointed this out, then my apologies.
I might respectfully remind you that a jury in Guymon, OK found them not guilty on all counts after 2.5 hrs. of deliberation (which included a dinner break).
Guymon’s not exactly a thriving, urbane metropolis of progressive thought. It’s a hop, skip, and a jump from bumfuck nowhere, panhandle, Oklahoma.
Ya might wanna try painting with a smaller brush, and with tighter, more concise strokes.
There’s usually more to a story than is covered in a single link. There’s usually more to a story than is covered in a single set of cherry picked links. If the search results were highly ambiguous, I’d grant you have an argument, but since everything on the first page of results was related to the events in question, it works well as a highly focused aggregator. I find it more annoying when someone pits something based on a highly specifically spun version of events in the cherry picked link(s) provided… I end up doing a Google search for more facts anyway.
I take less issue with that, actually. If, and it’s a big if, if the students lead a prayer and it’s to a god shared by members of the audience (including audience members that are government employees), they shouldn’t feel like they aren’t allowed or shouldn’t to join in. Any more than they should feel like they aren’t allowed to say a little ditty to some other god of their choice, or make some secular affirmation of commitment ro fair play and sportsmanship, or say nothing at all.
The problem is that the school failed, rather spectacularly, to supply an atmosphere where anything other than praying along would be okay and went so far as to punish a person that voiced a concern about feeling dishonest by pretending to participate.
Having everyone in attendance pray before, during, and after the game is inappropriate at a school sanctioned event, regardless of how many “girls” want to pray.
I will add my voice to those asking for any evidence of this.