# Harris VP choice as she is the official presidential nominee of the Democratic Party for 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [July 21, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552 "2024-07-21T19:06:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/583 "2024-07-28T02:37:18Z")
> [@chela](#): > > He’s unseasoned religious conservative with ambition and a brand of bravado that is off putting. Are you mixing up _Ben_ Shapiro with Dem Governor Josh Shapiro ? > [@Irishman](#): > > He was a marine, but went correspondent, not infantry or recon or tank driver. Not an actual combatant. Probably a coward. Where did he do his term? Fallujah? Germany? _Iran._ for some of it. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/584 "2024-07-28T03:42:36Z")
Well, he is my 2nd choice so I would be good with this instead of Kelly. I still say Shapiro is a losing choice. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/585 "2024-07-28T03:52:41Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Can someone summarize the advantages of Shapiro? Winning Pennsylvania. It’s possible people from PA will vote for their governor and winning PA is a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/586 "2024-07-28T04:04:16Z")
VP choices have little to no effect carrying their home state. Better Shapiro stays in place and works hard on GOTV in PA. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/587 "2024-07-28T08:40:41Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Better Shapiro stays in place and works hard on GOTV in PA. This. If Kamala wins, I want someone here who can work with her to make PA better. If she loses, he can hopefully fight Trump’s awful ideas. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/588 "2024-07-28T12:02:22Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > How well does Harris know the 3 short listed candidates? Addressed here (gift link): [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/28/us/politics/kamala-harris-vice-president-attorney-general.html?unlocked\_article\_code=1.-k0.pSd0.Jrc35z1MqQDq&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/28/us/politics/kamala-harris-vice-president-attorney-general.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-k0.pSd0.Jrc35z1MqQDq&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) She knows a few of the longer short list personally some at least: Cooper, Shapiro, and Beshear. > [@](#): > > Of the former attorneys general turned vice-presidential hopefuls, Mr. Cooper, 67, served together the longest with Ms. Harris, 59. > > “They’ve certainly been to war together,” said Daniel R. Suvor, who served as chief of policy and senior counsel to Ms. Harris when she was attorney general, noting that she, Mr. Cooper and their counterparts would sometimes dine together in Washington “after a long day of negotiating with the banks.” > > “Though they’re not particularly close, they have that good working relationship,” he said. > … > > … Ms. Harris and Mr. Shapiro, 51, have also known each other for years. In 2006, Ms. Harris, then the San Francisco district attorney, and Mr. Shapiro, a state representative from the Philadelphia suburbs, were tapped for a prestigious program for rising stars in American politics. > > Ten years later, Ms. Harris was in her last year as attorney general and [running for Senate](https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-senate-race-kamala-harris-wins-20161108-story.html), while Mr. Shapiro was seeking the attorney general’s office in Pennsylvania. > > He built a broad coalition in that race, securing support from [President Barack Obama](https://www.post-gazette.com/early-returns/erstate/2016/03/30/Obama-endorses-Josh-Shapiro-in-state-AG-race/stories/201603300165) and key [law enforcement](https://www.cityandstatepa.com/politics/2016/08/shapiro-picks-key-endorsement-attorney-general-race/365305/) leaders. He had also stayed in touch with Ms. Harris, asking her for advice over the years, and he spoke with her during that run for attorney general, said Manuel Bonder, a spokesman for Mr. Shapiro. … > > … Ms. Harris and Mr. Beshear overlapped as attorneys general for about a year. In an interview last week, the governor said he had come to know Ms. Harris later, as vice president. > > But he signaled that he saw a bond rooted in their previous jobs. > > “I know an attorney general when I see one,” Mr. Beshear said. Good ones, he said, are“willing to take on tough issues if it means creating a better life for people.” … ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/589 "2024-07-28T12:04:45Z")
My cousin wants to write in Mark Cuban as VP. It would certainly be an unexpected choice. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/590 "2024-07-28T12:17:31Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > VP choices have little to no effect carrying their home state. Senators, yes. They are from an unpopular branch of government. Also, the longer a governor is in office, the more time for them to do stuff that turns off voters. Shapiro is really still in his honeymoon here. So the small sample size of little-effect VP nominees in not indicative. One factor perhaps not mentioned yet is – how does Harris’s possible plan to pivot to the center relate to the VP choice? If she is planning to please her base on policy, it makes sense to make a nod-to-the-center VP pick, demonstrating, albeit in a purely symbolic way, that she is not controlled by what Trump calls the far left. That means Shapiro. But if she is planning to make a big policy move to the center – [which she should if winning is priority one](https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/the-democratic-party-left-vs-the) – she should make a pick that will first cement in her support from the base. That probably means Pete. Here is the case: [Pete Would Bring a lot to the Ticket](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/28/pete-buttigieg-longshot-vp-harris-00171515) ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/591 "2024-07-28T12:32:24Z")
For the 1000th time, Pete would guarantee a second Trump term. Homophobia is still a major issue for too many people, including certain traditionally Democratic demographic groups. ETA It is more important to keep Shapiro as Governor of PA for GOTV efforts and in case of any MAGA shenanigans with certifying votes. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/592 "2024-07-28T12:59:09Z")
And Pete doesn’t have the experience to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Give him a few more years and less homophobia and President Pete could be plausible. Not to mention he has less military experience than Vance, if that matters to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/593 "2024-07-28T13:15:57Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > …less military experience than Vance, if that matters to anyone. I can’t imagine it matters much at all to anyone who isn’t also a homophobe and/or a Republican. To expand on that, I would imagine that if Vance’s (relatively brief and insignificant) military service matters to anyone at all, it will be as a dubious litmus test of masculinity and patriotism that even they don’t _really_ adhere to. Not unlike how conservatives were falling all over themselves to defend Bush the Younger’s less than distinguished National Guard service while cheering on the swift-boating of John Kerry (who had actual combat experience and medals for heroism). The sort of people who will support Vance might say his military service matters to them, but just watch how they don’t skip a beat trying to tear down someone like, for example, Mark Kelly if he gets the Democratic nomination for VP. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/594 "2024-07-28T13:26:15Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > ETA It is more important to keep Shapiro as Governor of PA for GOTV efforts and in case of any MAGA shenanigans with certifying votes. How does running for VP conflict with GOTV efforts, or prevent him as still governor until swearing in be there for those shenanigans? > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Pete doesn’t have the experience to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency That’s really it. > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > less military experience than Vance, if that matters to anyone > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > The sort of people who will support Vance I would completely dismiss Vance as a factor in choosing Harris’ running mate. There are few who Vance apparently does appeal to, and those are voters unreachable to any Democratic candidate. If he stays the nominee, not a sure thing. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/595 "2024-07-28T13:27:26Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > The sort of people who will support Vance might say his military service matters to them, but just watch how they don’t skip a beat trying to tear down someone like, for example, Mark Kelly if he gets the Democratic nomination for VP. That’s probably true of some. That doesn’t make it right to try and tear down Vance’s military service. He voluntarily joined the Marines during wartime. He served in a combat zone. He honorably served out his enlistment contract. He then used his earned GI Bill benefits to go to college. He gets called a coward for that? He gets disparaged for “only” giving up four years of his youth to volunteer when very few do? Come on that’s ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/596 "2024-07-28T13:33:35Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > He gets called a coward for that? He gets disparaged for “only” giving up four years of his youth to volunteer when very few do? Come on that’s ridiculous. It would be ridiculous. If only someone actually said it. No, he gets disparaged for being a fascist boot-licker. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/597 "2024-07-28T13:36:05Z")
Actually there have been a few posts like that in the last week on the SDMB. It is dumb when done. Though it is far from common thankfully. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/598 "2024-07-28T13:41:57Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Actually there have been a few posts like that in the last week on the SDMB. Then maybe @Loach should address those people. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/599 "2024-07-28T13:42:13Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > He gets called a coward for that? He gets disparaged for “only” giving up four years of his youth to volunteer when very few do? Come on that’s ridiculous. > > It would be ridiculous. If only someone actually said it. > > No, he gets disparaged for being a fascist boot-licker. I didn’t mean to imply you said it. I used your post as a springboard. Others have disparaged him for not having the right MOS or only staying in for one enlistment contract (plus four years of inactive reserve time). > [@Irishman](#): > > He was a marine, but went correspondent, not infantry or recon or tank driver. Not an actual combatant. Probably a coward. Where did he do his term? Fallujah? Germany? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/600 "2024-07-28T13:43:33Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > How does running for VP conflict with GOTV efforts, or prevent him as still governor until swearing in be there for those shenanigans? Because doing two jobs at once means you’re likely to do both of them less well. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/601 "2024-07-28T13:43:43Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > > [@What\_Exit](#): > > > > Actually there have been a few posts like that in the last week on the SDMB. > > Then maybe @Loach should address those people. I addressed the subject by quoting you. Again apologies if it looked like I was criticizing you. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552/602 "2024-07-28T13:44:23Z")
I despise Vance, but not for his military service. That being said, I agree that anyone who likes Vance is in Trump’s pocket, and isn’t going to change their vote. And the VP choice should be made for reasons other than competing with Vance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harris-vp-choice-as-she-is-the-official-presidential-nominee-of-the-democratic-party-for-2024/1004552.md?page=31)