# Harry Belafonte sticks his head up his ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 10, 2006, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237 "2006-01-10T00:10:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/241 "2006-01-15T07:56:48Z")
> [@Revenant Threshold](#): > > Thought occurs to me - i’m not an American. **Magellan** , have you been hiding your criticism of Bush from me? Could you elaborate? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/242 "2006-01-15T08:18:36Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > To someone who isn’t Janus-faced, the contradiction is evident. If you’ll excuse a nit-pick, I think this is an unfortunate choice of words. What we need here is _more_ Janus-faced people. Janus’ faces look forward and back, to the future and the past. To be Janus-faced is to be mindful of the past and to consciously adjust your posture for the future. A Janus-faced person would never advocate blind nationalism, and certainly not blind allegiance to a mere _person_ for form’s sake. That kind of thing rarely turns out well. I’m perplexed, **magelllan01** , about why you would take it as axiomatic that it’s desirable for American citizens and people of other nations to support a sitting U.S. president simply because he holds the office. Naturally it’s better for nations to work in concert with each other for their mutual benefit. How does supporting Bush on principle further anyone? To be frank, he’s not the greatest president y’all have ever elected. As you would expect, foreign interest in your politics centers around foreign policy concerns. When Bush was running, he got a lot of press pretty much as the joke candidate – manifestly unsuited for the job, with a knowledge of foreign affairs that would make most high school students blush. Imagine our surprise and chagrin when it made it through the primaries and eventually into the Oval Office. Nobody is particularly surprised that his foreign policy has been disastrous. Okay, maybe there’s a _little_ surprise at the sheer scale of it, but it’s wearing off. We’re numb. There is some concern over how domestic economic policy is working out for y’all, too – because hits to your economy ripple through ours. If, as you seem to think would be best, Americans presented a united front behind your president, the rest of the world would have every reason to believe that the course that has been set for the U.S. is a long-term, fixed course – and the rest of the world would necessarily adjust itself based on that belief. You might think that’s a triviality, but it’s not. The rest of the world is simply not going to bank on Bush’s vision. A few rough years we can get through. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/243 "2006-01-15T08:56:41Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > If you’ll excuse a nit-pick, I think this is an unfortunate choice of words. What we need here is _more_ Janus-faced people. Janus’ faces look forward and back, to the future and the past. To be Janus-faced is to be mindful of the past and to consciously adjust your posture for the future. Point taken. And here I thought I’d been using a clever way of saying two-faced. Ah well, live and learn. Thanks for pointing out my ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/244 "2006-01-15T08:59:07Z")
D’oh! Just to nitpick my response to your nitpick, I wasn’t ignorant of who Janus was, but I was unaware that it could easily be viewed as a positive rather than a negative descriptor. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/245 "2006-01-15T10:32:45Z")
Eh, I’m sure everybody knew what you meant. The tendency to play the “insufferable know-it-all” card is my personal flaw. Just usin’ you as a straight man, really. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/246 "2006-01-15T13:23:37Z")
**FinnAgain** and **magellen01** , will you two stop picking on poor **Miller**. Give the guy a break for fuck’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/247 "2006-01-15T15:23:41Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Could you elaborate? Certainly. I am not an American. You believe that, whether or not an American supports the president, to the outside world they should present a face of support and trust in that president. I am of the outside world, am I not? So, i’m sure you’ve been acting along with your ideals and hidden any criticism you might have of Bush from me? I’d like to point out yet again, as a non-American, in Europe, at least, we generally feel there _is_ a strong link between Bush and America - but that it is a **negative** link. You criticise Bush? Good. That makes us dislike Bush more. It makes us\*\* like\*\* Americans more. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/248 "2006-01-15T15:23:44Z")
> [@rayh](#): > > **FinnAgain** and **magellen01** , will you two stop picking on poor **Miller**. Give the guy a break for fuck’s sake. Yeh, the **Millers** of the Gods grind slow (but they grind exceeding fine). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/249 "2006-01-15T18:43:01Z")
Update: Our beloved Terrorist in Chief has once again gone out of his way to prove Belafonte right. See this thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=354104](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=354104) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/250 "2006-01-15T19:02:43Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Update: Our beloved Terrorist in Chief has once again gone out of his way to prove Belafonte right. See this thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=354104](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=354104) Damn, I gotta give you and Harry this one. Still not number one, but one more reason for him to step down and go before the World Court. Jim ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/251 "2006-01-15T19:06:39Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’ve shared with you my sole beef with Venezuela. It’s the only one I can come up with, humorous or not. It seems that as tightly linked as Chavez and Venezuela are, denigrating one is also a sign of shitting on the other, or at least some people think so. > [@](#): > > And my answer to you in the other thread (I went and checked what you were talking about) was intended to convey humility, not humor. In readiing it just now, I guess you could get a smile out of it, as well. This was understood by someone who explained it to you in the post directly following yours. And then I clarified it for you as well a little later. Sorry you didn’t understand the post at that first opportunity. Or the second. Or the third. Hopefully this fourth time will be the ticket. You might want to revisit post 322 again. You never actually responded to my request for an alternate identifier for those who have similar stances regarding the issues surriounding homosexuals. So there wasn’t a second, third, or fourth time. Hell, there wasn’t even a first. This is a hijack, so feel free to continue it in the other thread if you so desire. It only came up here because it was the same type of dodge. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/252 "2006-01-15T22:55:26Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > It seems that as tightly linked as Chavez and Venezuela are, denigrating one is also a sign of shitting on the other, or at least some people think so. Game, set, and math goes to **DMC**. That was a thing of beauty. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2006, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/253 "2006-01-15T22:57:38Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Game, set, and math goes to **DMC**. I swear to OG that that was mat **C** h. That was not a thing of beauty. Bah. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2006, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/254 "2006-01-16T19:13:46Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > **Miller** , In an attempt to shorten the length of this post I’ve snipped out portions of your points and equstions that I was addressing. I am hesitant to do this, as I think it sometimes results in not being fair to the poster being replied to. I speak from personal experience, though not with you. If you feel my edits have changed the impression of your positions in any way, please know that it was not intentional correct as you see fit. That said: No worries, I do the same. Not every portion of every post needs to be specifically rebutted. I’ll be sure to shriek and whine if I feel you’ve taken something out of context. > [@](#): > > You’re missing the question. The question was whether you agreed with this statement: “that, especially in other countries, Bush and America are tightly related (so that criticizing the former is similar to crtiticiziing the latter).” > > Regardless, your answer seems to indicate that you do agree with it. (But I’m not sure that is your intent.) Your answer indicates that there is link, AND that it is a negative one. That as the tendency to equate Bush and Amerca goes up, foreign estimation of American goes down. And as that tendency goes down, their estimation of America goes up. But that question alone goes to correlation and direction: that you agree that there IS a relationship, but it is negative. The _strength_ of the relationship is still undetermined, but we agree that there is one. Yes, well, obviously. Bush is hugely unpopular abroad. If Bush is seen as representative of American attitudes, people are going to think less of America as a whole. I’m not arguing against there being _no_ correlation, I’m arguing against there being a _positive_ correlation. For the vast majority of thinking people out there, Americans criticizing Bush makes them like America more. At this point, I think this has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt by **FinnAgain** ’s links. > [@](#): > > Now given the reality of the relationship, the question is what to do about it. Should Americans abroad curb their tongues and show loyalty? Or should they advertise the free speech that thrives in this country by exercising it? I see the practical benefit of the latter, more so with the links provided. But I sense that there is a price to be paid for throwing Bush to the wolves. There is, of course, a price to paid for _any_ course of action, including non-action. There isn’t any one thing we can do that will make everyone everywhere love us forever. Some people in other countries are going to be turned away by vocal disagreement with Bush. **Sam Stone** , for one, would no doubt be crushed with disappointment. There are, however, not a whole lot of **Sam Stone** s out there in other countries who actually think Bush is doing a good job. Folks like him are vastly outnumbered by those who detest Bush. If we’re concerned about international opinion, are we better served by catering to the small minority of foreigners who like Bush, or the vast majority who think he’s a miserable sack of shit? > [@](#): > > As you might have gleaned from my interaction with you in the past, that while I am no fan of Bush, I am pretty much a traditionalist (as I see it) and I think in that we owe our President our support. If we don’t support him, how or why should we expect others to. And as his Presidency has reminded us, the world’s support of him is important. I’m a liberal democrat who thinks George Bush is just about the worst thing to happen to this country since the Great Depression. Why on Earth would I want _anyone_ to support him, foreign or domestic? > [@](#): > > I’m simply breaking it down into its components to be able to focus on them better. I think it is helpful (cleaner) to separate out the two components of the dual position I’ve taken. One goes to speaking ill of America overseas. The other goes to the degree to which Bush is synonymous with America in the ears of foreigners. Which is the problematic statement? Or is it both. I am aiding my detractors here as a problem with either one of them goes to undermine my original statement, in which they are linked. The problematic statment is bringing up the entire concept of “speaking ill of America” in the first place, as no one in this thread, or in the original article that started it, has done any such thing. The basic argument here is wether Bellafonte, by criticizing Bush, is also criticizing America. By “simplifying” things as you tried to do, you’re attempting to treat the central disagreement here as resolved in your favor. We’ve done no such thing: your basic premise, that Bellafonte was playing to the “anti-American” crowd with his remarks about Bush, have not come anywhere near to being proven. In fact, they started as remarkably thin, and have since been torn to shreds, repeatedly. > [@](#): > > But, okay, let’s do as you wish and put that aside that for now. IF there is a strong link in the minds of foreigners, and I think I’ve shown that we agree that there is one (it’s strength still being undetermined), then my readiness to join the two is of no consequence. It certainly doesn’t merit critiicism, as it would be correct. If the strength is undetermined, than it is incorrect to say that it is a “strong link.” > [@](#): > > But even if it is correct that there is a strong link, that still leaves the (I think) larger issue of whether it is apprpriate for an American to criticize America—either directly or through Bush—while abroad. Which puts you in the position of arguing that Americans should not criticize Bush, _even if it means making more people dislike America._ And you _still_ haven’t addressed the fundamental disconnect in your position between defaming Bush to a domestic audience and defaming him to a foreign one, when the reality of global communications has all but entirely erased the distinction between the two. > [@](#): > > I think it makes rational sense to argue either side of it. I can easily argue that, as you and other have pointed out, criticizing the President—even the U.S. directly—may be the wise course of action. As it makes sense that if Bush is the thing they hate, then separatiing him from the idea of America will remove America from the line of fire of the hate. I can also argue that if a celebrity goes to another country and bad-mouths the President that, people in the crowds that hear him will join in with his despicable crowd—in bandwagon effect, if you will. I don’t think you can deny that celebrities have the power to do this more than an ordinary citizen. Advertising agencies pay them millions to endorse products because they do. I’m a little confused, here. From the structure of this paragraph, it seems you’re trying to present two possible outcomes of things like Belafonte’s speech. Except you’ve just listed the same outcome twice: if someone goes to a foreign nation and bad-mouths Bush, either he’ll convince his adience to dislike Bush… or he’ll convince his audience to dislike Bush. Frankly, I’m cool with either outcome. > [@](#): > > Analogies are notoriously poor aids in debates like these, but these are particulalry apt and give me great pause. Although I don’t think you mean to equate the degree evil inherent in Muslim fundamentalism or the Soviet Union with the misdeeds of Bush. At least I hope you don’t. I know others would make that leap. No, not at all. Bush, obvously, is worse. 😃 > [@](#): > > I think you are being unintentionally unfair to my argument. I do not believe—even if I am right about everything—that Bush being evil (which I don’t think he is) will get people to think that all Americans are evil. That would be insulting to the intellect of people around the globe. My fear is that they will start to view America, as a counrtry, as being evil, i.e., the government. As a kid I never thought of the Russian people as evil, just the Russian system and its leaders. That was without even hearing an ex-pat or kowing what one was. That’s my fear, too. Which is why it’s important to make it clear that Bush is not the American government: _the people_ are the American government. The clearest way to communicate this is through open disagreement with the policies of the Bush administration. > [@](#): > > Really it boils down to this: Is it wiser to cut off Bush and let people hate him? Or to try to temper the hatred and show that most of it is unfounded or the result of gross over-reaction? Barring so gross malfeasance or criminal or unethical behavior, I feel more comfortable supporting The President. Out of curioisity, what sort of specific behavior would be necessary for you to not support a sitting president? If you feel that Bush’s gross malfeasnace or Clinton’s unethical behavior was insufficient to terminate your support, what precisely would it take? > [@](#): > > I say that not because he is Bush, but in spite of him being Bush. I would have the same opinion of Clinton or any other President. I feel that once the person is in office they are my President and deserve my support. I will hound them on policy and decisions they make, but I will not seek to undermine the person or the office. How can you “hound them on policy and decisions” _without_ undermining the person? > [@](#): > > Because he is seeking to undermine the President in the eyes of the world. I believe that it is better for America for the President to be strong and honorable in the eyes of the world instead of being perceived as evil or a terrorist. I believe it is better for the president to _actually be strong and honorable._ If he is neither (and I believe Bush fails on both accounts) then it is incumbent on anyone who posseses either of those qualities to speak out against him. > [@](#): > > I think Bellafonte’s opinions are also unfair and asinine. Someone who beleives that Bush is a terrorist has a very poor grasp of the concept of terrorism. Now that I agree with. Bush’s many errors and moral failings are more than sufficient to destroy his credibility without embellishment or hyperbole. > [@](#): > > Absolutely not. I actually probably agree with you completely that it is healthy for people around the world to be aware that people in the U.S. can speak their minds. I don’t even mind the kind of stupidity Bellafonte uttered. In fact, the more asinine it is the more I want it out in the open, because then it can be confronted and argued against. That is not the case when an American elebrity takes to the soapbox in another country and attempts to fan the flames of hate for EITHER the President or the country (leaving the relationship between the two aside). That entirely avoids the question I was asking. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2006, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/255 "2006-01-16T19:20:34Z")
> [@rayh](#): > > **FinnAgain** and **magellen01** , will you two stop picking on poor **Miller**. Give the guy a break for fuck’s sake. Maybe I’m being whooshed, here, but I don’t feel that either of them are picking on me. Regardless, thanks for speaking up for me, even if it wasn’t necessary. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2006, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/256 "2006-01-16T19:47:28Z")
Yeah. You’ve been whoooshed. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/257 "2006-01-17T14:06:07Z")
I’d just like to point out that the question about the “overseas” obfuscation still remains dodged; so the position must rationally be taken as meaning that any dissent which is conveyed to a global audience is wrong. Which means pretty much any dissent which involves the media, at all. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/258 "2006-01-17T14:53:06Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I’d just like to point out that the question about the “overseas” obfuscation still remains dodged; so the position must rationally be taken as meaning that any dissent which is conveyed to a global audience is wrong. Which means pretty much any dissent which involves the media, at all. And, as I mentiond before, the internet. Why, there’s foreigners on this very message board, reading the filthy US liberal traitors bash Bush (a.k.a The Living, Throbbing Embodiment Of America)! It’s a wonder people like **magellen01** haven’t petitioned the SDMB to make criticism of Bush against board rules. Hell, maybe they have. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/259 "2006-01-17T15:01:50Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > And, as I mentiond before, the internet. Why, there’s foreigners on this very message board, reading the filthy US liberal traitors bash Bush (a.k.a The Living, Throbbing Embodiment Of America)! > > It’s a wonder people like **magellen01** haven’t petitioned the SDMB to make criticism of Bush against board rules. Hell, maybe they have. I think he probably has. 😉 Jim ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237/260 "2006-01-17T21:28:00Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > And, as I mentiond before, the internet. Point. I’d meant to be clearer, but I’d definitely say that the 'net has become part of “the media”. > [@Revtim](#): > > It’s a wonder people like **magellen01** haven’t petitioned the SDMB to make criticism of Bush against board rules. Hell, maybe they have. Hmmm… > [@Hypothetical Abuse Report](#): > > I just want to bring it to your attention that the SDMB is infested by traitorous and probably terroristic liberals who have no respect for the divinity which is enshrined in the person of the President of the United States of America. In Arthurian legends, the health of the king was the health of the land, so too now is Bush the quintessence of America. By speaking ill of Bush they are helping our enemies, causing the fields to lie fallow, the women to remain dry, the sky to turn red as blood, the waters to turn black as sin, and coffee to remain cold. I will be reporting them to the FBI in tandem with this abuse report, and I hope that we can safeguard America by making the rest of the world think that we support Bush with every fiber of our beings. If dissent is allowed, people might respect our commitment to freedom and a government of, by, and for the people. The Leader would not like this. > God bless you and may your work one day return us to a state of Purity of Essence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-belafonte-sticks-his-head-up-his-ass/339237.md?page=12)