# Harry, Meghan, and Canadian Immigration **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 18, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640 "2020-01-18T23:59:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/41 "2020-01-22T01:47:34Z")
Fifthly, he’d be right back glad handing, ribbon cutting, and hosting despots for dinner, having to smile and make nice. Everything he’s trying to escape from! It is NEVER gonna happen. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/42 "2020-01-22T02:15:47Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > The IRA is toned down, but there are lots of others out there who might want to take a shot at a member of the a Royal Family to send a message, even one who is trying not to be “Royal”. The Queen and the UK have a duty to protect Harry, since he’s a target by virtue entirely by his birth. That may well spill over to Canada, both by ties to the Commonwealth and by the duty of countries to assist in protecting “internationally protected persons”, the term used in the Criminal Code. You can’t just do that, lol. We’re looking at security costs now, with the IRA toned down. Security costs relate to current threats. What anti-Royal activities do you imagine “may well spill over” to British Columbia? ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/43 "2020-01-22T03:17:50Z")
To what extent do governments have a responsibility to ensure the safety of residents and visitors, even if the visitors are rich? I lean towards the belief that it’s a basic responsibility of government, but I’ve lived most of my life in Aus, not the USA. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/44 "2020-01-22T06:13:38Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What anti-Royal activities do you imagine “may well spill over” to British Columbia? Well if you were of that inclination and wanted the notoriety of killing/maiming a royal then wouldn’t a couple of A-Lists swanning around downtown Vancouver represent low hanging fruit? Might stretch the famed Canadian capability for politeness. > [@](#): > > “We would like to sincerely apologise to the Mountbatten-Windsor family for the assassination of Harry Sussex. We thought he was providing his own security detail. > We are truly sorry and will make every endeavour to prevent this tragic event happening again” ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/45 "2020-01-22T19:22:45Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > The Queen and the UK have a duty to protect Harry, since he’s a target by virtue entirely by his birth. That may well spill over to Canada, both by ties to the Commonwealth and by the duty of countries to assist in protecting “internationally protected persons”, the term used in the Criminal Code. I do not think that he would qualify as an internationally protected person once he quits his royal family duties. > [@](#): > > For the purposes of this Convention: > > “[internationally protected person](https://www.treaty-accord.gc.ca/text-texte.aspx?id=104265)” means: > > a Head of State, including any member of a collegial body performing the functions of a Head of State under the constitution of the State concerned, a Head of Government or a Minister for Foreign Affairs, whenever any such person is in a foreign State, as well as members of his family who accompany him; > > any representative or official of a State or any official or other agent of an international organization of an intergovernmental character who, at the time when and in the place where a crime against him, his official premises, his private accommodation or his means of transport is committed, is entitled pursuant to international law to special protection from any attack on his person, freedom or dignity, as well as members of his family forming part of his household; Seeing as Harry is a millionaire many times over and Meghan is a millionaire several times over, I think our tax dollars would be better spent elsewhere rather than subsidising the wealthy unless there is a specific and credible threat. I suppose we could get around Article 1, 1, (a) by proclaiming that the space in which he exists (e.g. his body) is extraterritorial, e.g. extending upon what we did under the old War Measures Act for Princess Margaret. [http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/canada-gazette/093/001060-119.01-e.php?document\_id\_nbr=9450&f=g&PHPSESSID=uiuuekdhfe657p57v0k666gb75](http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/canada-gazette/093/001060-119.01-e.php?document_id_nbr=9450&f=g&PHPSESSID=uiuuekdhfe657p57v0k666gb75) If that doesn’t fly, then I suppose we could make him a captain in the RCAF with them living on base housing and deem it to be security. Bottom line: he skis, plays rugby, and helps charities, and she’s an outspoken feminist with a successful self-directed career who helps with charities. My sort of folks, so welcome to Canada! ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/46 "2020-01-22T23:20:43Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You can’t just do that, lol. We’re looking at security costs now, with the IRA toned down. Security costs relate to current threats. What anti-Royal activities do you imagine “may well spill over” to British Columbia? The IRA is toned down, yes. How about any of several different extremist groups in the Islamic world who might relish an opportunity to take out somebody who is not just representative of supposed “Western” excesses but also actually fought against extremists during his military career? A planned deployment to Iraq was cancelled because he represented too “high value” a target, but he did serve twice in Afghanistan, including one as a gunner and co-pilot on Apache attack helicopters; are you willing to bet that nobody in the Taliban has ever thought about getting revenge? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/47 "2020-01-23T01:07:36Z")
> [@slash2k](#): > > The IRA is toned down, yes. How about any of several different extremist groups in the Islamic world who might relish an opportunity to take out somebody who is not just representative of supposed “Western” excesses but also actually fought against extremists during his military career? A planned deployment to Iraq was cancelled because he represented too “high value” a target, but he did serve twice in Afghanistan, including one as a gunner and co-pilot on Apache attack helicopters; are you willing to bet that nobody in the Taliban has ever thought about getting revenge? Yes, I’m willing to bet that. Nobody gives a shit about this couple as a political target. The handsome/beautiful biracial couple, who left the life to raise their kids in Canada. Killing them is what some dude is going to brag about in his suicide video? ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/48 "2020-01-23T03:05:41Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Yes, I’m willing to bet that. Nobody gives a shit about this couple as a political target. I’m willing to bet that your worldly view isn’t the swing vote when UK/Canadian security services discuss protection for the Sussexs. ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/49 "2020-01-24T21:57:05Z")
Somebody has already tried to kidnap the Queen’s daughter (and came close to succeeding, thanks to the half-assed amateurish security which was provided at the time). And that was just one lone nutter. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/50 "2020-01-25T09:36:53Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Harry is the Queen’s grandson, and in not too long a time he’ll be the King’s son. He and his family are targets, and always will be. The UK government will pick up the security tab, and likely provide the protection where possible. I suspect the negotiations between the UK and Canadian governments is more to do with things like “Will UK close protection officers be allowed to be armed in Canada?” and the like. > [@slash2k](#): > > The IRA is toned down, yes. How about any of several different extremist groups in the Islamic world who might relish an opportunity to take out somebody who is not just representative of supposed “Western” excesses but also actually fought against extremists during his military career? A planned deployment to Iraq was cancelled because he represented too “high value” a target, but he did serve twice in Afghanistan, including one as a gunner and co-pilot on Apache attack helicopters; are you willing to bet that nobody in the Taliban has ever thought about getting revenge? Both of these. Plus some right-wing nutters hate them. They are targets and it’s naive to claim otherwise. That might well change in the future but for now they are at risk. The thing is, although they’re just three people (including their son), if they were to be bombed or whatever there would likely be a lot of collateral damage. I, for one, would not want to be at a charity event with a high-profile Prince who only had standard private bodyguards. And the political fallout from even a failed attempt could well be huge - governments don’t need big excuses to bomb countries these days. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/51 "2020-01-25T13:48:56Z")
> [@swampspruce](#): > > The estimated cost for security according to CTV news was $100k /day. That’s a non-trivial sum. In order to assuage any concerns I’m willing to bet that Harry is appointed as a Deputy Lt Governor (or goes to the top job once Julie Payette is done), 1. Julkie Payette is Governor General, not Lt. Governor. In Canada, the Governor General (Payette) is the viceregal to the federal government; the provinces each have a Lieutenant Governor. 2. The deputy Governor General is by definition the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, so he can’t be that either. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/52 "2020-02-08T11:23:37Z")
> [@](#): > > [Financially independent’ Meghan and Prince Harry bank $515K speaking at JP Morgan banking summit.](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/financially-independent-meghan-and-prince-harry-bank-515k-speaking-at-jp-morgan-banking-summit) > [@](#): > > [Currently, 95% of the couple’s income comes from Prince Charles’s income from the Duchy of Cornwall, a vast portfolio of property and financial investments, which brought in £21.6m last year. > > It is believed the couple will continue to receive money from Prince Harry’s father under the new agreement, although it is unclear whether this will come from the Duchy, his personal wealth, or a combination of the two.]([Harry and Meghan attend JP Morgan event in Miami](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51421246)) They can afford their own security. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/53 "2020-02-08T14:06:23Z")
There’s some twit on YouTube who keeps posting about how Harry needs to be ‘rescued’, that he’s apparently suffering from Stockholm syndrome and in danger of suicide. Claims William may have already sneaked over and they have Harry tucked away somewhere being ‘deprogrammed’ from Evil Mind Controlling Meghan. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/54 "2020-02-08T20:54:22Z")
Sorry for the delayed response. > [@penultima\_thule](#): > > 1. If the Mountbatten-Windsors have acted to “overthrow a recalcitrant local regime” in any Commonwealth country, I’d like a cite. [1975 Australian constitutional crisis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis) > [@](#): > > The 1975 Australian constitutional crisis, also known simply as the Dismissal, has been described as the greatest political and constitutional crisis in Australian history. It culminated on 11 November 1975 with the dismissal from office of the Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam of the Australian Labor Party (ALP), by Governor-General Sir John Kerr, who then commissioned the Leader of the Opposition, Malcolm Fraser of the Liberal Party, as caretaker Prime Minister. Kerr, the Queen’s creature, did indeed overthrow an installed government. ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/55 "2020-02-08T23:25:59Z")
Except Whitlam was the one who selected Kerr, so if he did not get a reliable placeman who could be expected to do his bidding, he had only himself to blame. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/56 "2020-02-09T01:56:53Z")
There was always a conspiracy theory that the downfall of Whitlam was engineered by the CIA. To which the response was, no it was _really_ the palace. And specifically, allegations that the palace _refused to tell Kerr not to do it_ ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/57 "2020-02-10T21:42:35Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > 1. Julkie Payette is Governor General, not Lt. Governor. In Canada, the Governor General (Payette) is the viceregal to the federal government; the provinces each have a Lieutenant Governor. > > 2. The deputy Governor General is by definition the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, so he can’t be that either. Where did I say Julie Payette was Lt Governor? And he very well could act as a Deputy G G. [Cite](https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/30---31-vict-c-3/97547/30---31-vict-c-3.html). "It shall be lawful for the Queen, if Her Majesty thinks fit, to authorize the Governor General from Time to Time to appoint any Person or any Persons jointly or severally to be his Deputy or Deputies within any Part or Parts of Canada, and in that Capacity to exercise during the Pleasure of the Governor General such of the Powers, Authorities, and Functions of the Governor General as the Governor General deems it necessary or expedient to assign to him or them, subject to any Limitations or Directions expressed or given by the Queen; but the Appointment of such a Deputy or Deputies shall not affect the Exercise by the Governor General himself of any Power, Authority, or Function. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/58 "2020-02-12T18:18:39Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > Sorry for the delayed response. > > [1975 Australian constitutional crisis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis) > > Kerr, the Queen’s creature, did indeed overthrow an installed government. **RioRico** , three points: 1. In quoting from the Wikipedia article, you don’t quote from the letter from the Queen’s Private Secretary, in which he states that it is the Palace’s understanding that the Constitution of Australia assigns the power to commission and dismiss governments to the Governor General alone, not to the Queen, and that Her Majesty had taken no steps in relation to the events in Australia. 2. In the Commonwealth realms, the Gov Gen has the power to dismiss a government under their respective constitutions, written by each Commonwealth nation. That power is an emergency power and very rarely used, but it is a constitutional power, not a power of the Mountbatten-Windsors. 3. In the Westminster systems of government used in the Commonwealth realms, the fundamental duty of a government is to pass the budget (“Supply”) and ensure government is continued. If a government cannot ensure supply, it either has to resign and let someone else form a government, or call an election. PM Whitlam could not get his budget passed; did not resign; and did not call an election. Indeed, there was some evidence that he was trying to borrow money on the international markets, without legal authority to do so, in the expectation that he would later get Parliament to ratify that illegal borrowing. Governor General Kerr concluded that the Prime Minister was in breach of the fundamental principles of the Australian government system, and exercised his authority, given to him by the Constitution of Australia, to dismiss the government. That wasn’t Betty Windsor overthrowing a government. That was the Governor General of Australia exercising his constitutional powers in what he deemed to be an emergency. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/59 "2020-03-02T02:59:14Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > They seem like nice people, so welcome to Canada as non-royals. > > Since they apparently are both independently wealthy, they should pay for their own security. The Government of Canada agrees with you. Federal government will stop providing security at the end of March. > **[Canada will not pay for Prince Harry and Meghan's security after March | CBC...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harry-meghan-security-costs-rcmp-canada-1.5478022)** > > Canadian taxpayers will not be on the hook for Prince Harry and Meghan's security when they cease their official royal duties after the end of March. The RCMP have been protecting them since November but will stop when their status within the Royal... ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640/60 "2020-03-02T03:03:35Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > 1. If such an appointment were made it would be an appointment by the UK government and > 2. In Australia, as in Canada etc, the vice-regal appointments of Governor General or State Governor is done on the advice of prime minister or the relevant state premier and > 3. If the Mountbatten-Windsors have acted to “overthrow a recalcitrant local regime” in any Commonwealth country, I’d like a cite. Just noticed this post, and disagree with point 1. It wouldn’t be an appointment by the British government. It would be an appointment by the Queen of Canada, on the advice of her Canadian government. The British government would have no role in the appointment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-meghan-and-canadian-immigration/846640.md?page=4)