# Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 discussion thread(spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 14, 2011, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952 "2011-07-14T00:40:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![maggenpye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@maggenpye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maggenpye)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/181 "2011-07-18T23:30:54Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > did anyone else find the slytherin internment camp to be unsettling? i’m the only one amongst my friends. Nope, that was another thing that annoyed me in the movie. McGonnagal telling Filtch to take the Slytherins to the dungeons. In the book they were given the choice of staying to fight, but they all (apart from Draco & friends) decided to leave via the tunnel. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/182 "2011-07-18T23:41:57Z")
> [@PeskiPiksi](#): > > Luna ended up married to a guy named [Rolf Scamander](http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Rolf_Scamander). Who, sadly, left her when Luna came down with Sexually Transmitted Nurblefluffs and later took up with Neville. The movie producers kept the lay line but cut oun Rolf. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/183 "2011-07-18T23:44:14Z")
> [@maggenpye](#): > > McGonnagal telling Filtch to take the Slytherins to the dungeons It’s worth remembering that the dungeon is the location of the Slytherin house dormitories. Technically, all she did is send them to their rooms. ---
**Author:** ![diku](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@diku](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/diku)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/184 "2011-07-19T00:38:16Z")
> [@expectopatronum](#): > > i figured out another reason why the harry/voldy fight bugged me. we’re talking the most evil dark wizard of all time here, nearly equal to dumbledore in dueling, and harry holds his own throughout that whole fight? when mcgonagall, kingsley, and slughorn combined (the three way duel from the book) can’t overtake him? maybe we’re meant to think voldemort was weakened by the horcruxes being destroyed, but i don’t buy it. two had already been destroyed prior to the events of this book, and there was never any hint that his powers has lessened at all. it’s believable in the book because they only shoot one spell at each other at the end. they don’t engage in a proper duel. i don’t see harry being the winner were that the case. Actually, this was kinda explained. Since he meant to let Voldie kill him, he basically didn’t have power of Harry anymore. Harry mentions that none of Voldie’s curses appear to be sticking, and it’s cause of that protection. So really, the last fight is kinda pointless, cause he wouldn’t be able to kill Harry anyway. ---
**Author:** ![mac\_bolan00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b3f665/32.png) [@mac\_bolan00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mac_bolan00)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/185 "2011-07-19T00:39:33Z")
“And let it be remembered that house Slytherin played its part!” ---
**Author:** ![maggenpye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@maggenpye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maggenpye)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/186 "2011-07-19T00:55:46Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > It’s worth remembering that the dungeon is the location of the Slytherin house dormitories. Technically, all she did is send them to their rooms. That wasn’t how it came across. May have been what was intended, in which case it wasn’t well done at all. The dungeons are also where Filtch reminicses about the screaming of students being punished in the first book. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/187 "2011-07-19T01:08:41Z")
> [@diku](#): > > Actually, this was kinda explained. Since he meant to let Voldie kill him, he basically didn’t have power of Harry anymore. Harry mentions that none of Voldie’s curses appear to be sticking, and it’s cause of that protection. So really, the last fight is kinda pointless, cause he wouldn’t be able to kill Harry anyway. Which takes me back to my question about why the wand worked even a bit against Harry. Remember, there is zero battle between Harry and Voldy in the final book. The wand just leaps from Voldy’s hand and the spell zonks him dead. ---
**Author:** ![mac\_bolan00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b3f665/32.png) [@mac\_bolan00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mac_bolan00)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/188 "2011-07-19T01:37:59Z")
^ wand or no wand, voldemort’s combative powers are unmatched by any living wizard. even than, if i were him, i would have gone after harry with a .357 ---
**Author:** ![diku](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@diku](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/diku)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/189 "2011-07-19T03:40:00Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Which takes me back to my question about why the wand worked even a bit against Harry. > > Remember, there is zero battle between Harry and Voldy in the final book. The wand just leaps from Voldy’s hand and the spell zonks him dead. Yeah, I was actually thinking that during the scene in the movie. The whole point of it only being a one shot confrontation is that Voldie’s curses can’t affect Harry anymore. That’s why it didn’t hurt when he had the Cruciatus curse performed right after the King’s Cross scene. Wouldn’t have worked as well in the movie, I guess. I think we’re more led to believe that Harry has become the same power level wizard. ---
**Author:** ![Maiira](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Maiira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maiira)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/190 "2011-07-19T05:59:05Z")
Just got back from the theater. Movie was awesome. Gringotts was great–the embedded chain in the dragon’s neck was a nice touch. Voldy’s walk through the dead goblins was incredibly gruesome, as was Snape’s end. Helena Bonham-Carter acting as Hermione pretending to be Bellatrix was fantastic (godDAMN that woman can act). The Battle of Hogwarts was as great as I expected it would be, especially the very beginning, where McGonagall fights Snape, then summons the suits of armor (though I wish they’d let her say “we teachers are rather good at magic”). Neville was pretty badass–not nearly as badass as he was in the books, but he done good. Also, Matthew Lewis is all kinds of hot. As for the sword-being-a-rapier thing…it’s magic, people! Magic! (And isn’t goblin steel supposed to be extra-awesome?) Blargh, I don’t even remember all the stuff I was going to talk about, but, seriously, GREAT film. I have to go see it again, for several reasons. First, we had shitty seats (which is my own stupid fault, but still). Second, I had to pee like a motherfuck throughout the entire second half of the movie, but there was no way in hell I was going to get up and leave in the middle of it. Third, because OMG HARRY POTTER. ---
**Author:** ![SuperNelson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SuperNelson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuperNelson)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/191 "2011-07-19T06:13:50Z")
The camera seemed to linger quite a bit on the faces of the goblin tellers in Gringott’s. Were they cameos? I didn’t see any reference to them in the credits, or on IMDB. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/192 "2011-07-19T06:47:08Z")
Saw it this weekend. Awesome film. Loved the character actors - that woman from Trainspotting was great as the Grey Lady, and that Venetian vampire woman from Dr Who as Narcissa Malfoy. ---
**Author:** ![mac\_bolan00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b3f665/32.png) [@mac\_bolan00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mac_bolan00)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/193 "2011-07-19T07:44:54Z")
> [@SuperNelson](#): > > The camera seemed to linger quite a bit on the faces of the goblin tellers in Gringott’s. Were they cameos? I didn’t see any reference to them in the credits, or on IMDB. must be representative. they were all in pinstripes, effecting the dapper, conservative looks of old-fashioned bankers. a bowler hat won’t suit them though. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/194 "2011-07-19T14:11:29Z")
I didn’t read the books, so perhaps this is answered: Why doesn’t Voldy have a regular nose? Is he the Michael Jackson of the wizarding world? ---
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/195 "2011-07-19T14:22:35Z")
> [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](#): > > I didn’t read the books, so perhaps this is answered: > > Why doesn’t Voldy have a regular nose? Is he the Michael Jackson of the wizarding world? When he had his new body conjured he wanted to look as snake-like as possible, hence minimal nose. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/196 "2011-07-19T14:28:11Z")
> [@maggenpye](#): > > Nope, that was another thing that annoyed me in the movie. McGonnagal telling Filtch to take the Slytherins to the dungeons. In the book they were given the choice of staying to fight, but they all (apart from Draco & friends) decided to leave via the tunnel. I thought that all of the Slytherin’s were sent out after Pansy’s(?) outburst, and a general rumble of agreement from the rest of the House (can’t find my copy of the book)? Not a choice as I recall it. I remember people complaining at the time of the book that some of the Slytherin’s should have been allowed to stay. ---
**Author:** ![PeskiPiksi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e495f1/32.png) [@PeskiPiksi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeskiPiksi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/197 "2011-07-19T14:47:26Z")
They were doing a general evacuation of the younger students, and any of-age students who didn’t want to stay. Pansy had her outburst, and then: > [@](#): > > “Thank you, Miss Parkinson,” said Professor McGonagall in a clipped voice. “You will leave the Hall first with Mr. Filch. If the rest of your House could follow.” > > Harry heard the grinding of benches and then the sound of the Slytherins trooping out on the other side of the Hall…The Slytherin table was completely deserted, but a number of older Ravenclaws remained seated while their fellows filed out; even more Hufflepuffs stayed behind… So the older Slytherins were given a choice to stay and fight, but none of them took it. I do think she should have had at least a few stay to represent the Snapes and the Slughorns among the students. ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/198 "2011-07-19T14:56:28Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I don’t think that’s right. I think the sword appeared right then because it appears to Gryffindors that are brave. His bravery made it come, just like Potter made it come in movie 2. What I don’t understand is the scene where the sword disappears, after Harry and Co. escaped. It just fades into nothingness as the bad guys stroll through the bank. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/199 "2011-07-19T15:01:28Z")
> [@PeskiPiksi](#): > > They were doing a general evacuation of the younger students, and any of-age students who didn’t want to stay. Pansy had her outburst, and then: Can you also quote the bit with Pansy’s outburst? (It’s been four years since I read the book.) I’m curious what she said. ---
**Author:** ![PeskiPiksi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e495f1/32.png) [@PeskiPiksi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeskiPiksi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/200 "2011-07-19T15:06:23Z")
> [@](#): > > “Give me Harry Potter,” said Voldemort’s voice, “and none shall be harmed. Give me Harry Potter, and I shall leave the school untouched. Give me Harry Potter, and you will be rewarded.” > > “You have until midnight.” > > The silence swallowed them all again. Every head turned, every eye in the place seemed to have found Harry, to hold him frozen in the glare of thousands of invisible beams. Then a figure rose from the Sytherin table and he recognized Pansy Parkinson as she raised a shaking arm and screamed, “But he’s there! Potter’s _there_! Someone grab him!” > > Before Harry could speak, there was a massive movement. The Gryffindors in front of him had risen and stood facing, not Harry, but the Slytherins. Then the Hufflepuffs stood, and almost at the same moment, the Ravenclaws, all of them with their backs to Harry, all of them looking toward Pansy instead, and Harry, awestruck and overwhelmed, saw wands emerging everywhere, pulled from beneath cloaks and from under sleeves. Love that part. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952.md?page=11)