# Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 discussion thread(spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 14, 2011, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952 "2011-07-14T00:40:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/121 "2011-07-17T08:34:54Z")
I wish they’d let McGonagall lead the desks in a charge. ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/122 "2011-07-17T12:58:08Z")
> [@Maiira](#): > > I think the books did Ron/Hermione better in general. The problem with the films is that Emma Watson and Dan Radcliffe have such good onscreen chemistry that it almost makes more sense to put _their_ characters together. The canon couples in the films seem a bit forced, whereas in the books they were anything but. i tend to agree, especially about watson and radcliffe’s onscreen chemistry. i almost kind of wanted something to happen in the dancing scene in part 1, even though i like ron and hermione together! ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/123 "2011-07-17T13:18:48Z")
Mommypants and I saw it Friday night, really, really enjoyed. How did Luna suddenly show up at Hogwarts? Wasn’t she left behind at the Shell Cottage? Really took me out of the movie when they show her with the rest of the DA. How did she get back to Hogwarts on the book? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/124 "2011-07-17T13:29:15Z")
> [@Daddypants](#): > > How did Luna suddenly show up at Hogwarts? Wasn’t she left behind at the Shell Cottage? Really took me out of the movie when they show her with the rest of the DA. How did she get back to Hogwarts on the book? Neville sends out the word via his DA Galleon, and several DA members apparate into the Hogs’ Head and enter the school through the secret passage. I think that the movie even kept Neville’s line to Aberforth where he said that a couple people would be passing through. That’s how the Weasleys, etc ended up at Hogwarts for the battle. ---
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/125 "2011-07-17T14:07:41Z")
Saw it yesterday. The book geek in me was disappointed in the changes, but the movie geek mostly agreed with the streamlining of the screenplay. Biggest disappointment: Neville not delivering his speech of defiance. Biggest thumbs up to a change: Moldyfart feeling the deaths of his Horcruxen. Both the book and the movie needed more hot Harry and Ginny action. 🙂 ETA: The little girls that played grandmother and granddaughter Lily Potters were adorable. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/126 "2011-07-17T14:57:40Z")
in the books ginny has echos of lily, the red hair, pretty, popular, kind, good at witch craft. the big family and brothers gave her a difference of view, how she approached things. movie ginny is much closer to lilly, esp. as she gets older. she looks more and more like the woman who plays her. from movie ginny you get the feeling that harry likes her because she is so like his mother. bookwise harry likes ginny because of her personality and how she fits in her family, and not so much that she is very like his mum. the movie has me thinking that harry married that cliche of marrying your mother. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/127 "2011-07-17T15:16:24Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Magiver: > > Not that this really matters, since in the books it occurs in a different, and more understandable way - but Nagini might have been of different quality than the other horcruxes. After all, Voldemort was able to act through Nagini in book 5 and seemed telepathically connected to Nagini in book 7, during the fight in Bathilda Bagshot’s house. I think that is because Nagini is actually alive, and acting more as a familiar because he is a parseltongue. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/128 "2011-07-17T15:17:34Z")
Hubby got us tickets for the 130 showing at the de lux in Foxboro … leaving in 5 minutes to go see it \ ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/129 "2011-07-17T15:22:55Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Not that this really matters, since in the books it occurs in a different, and more understandable way - but Nagini might have been of different quality than the other horcruxes. After all, Voldemort was able to act through Nagini in book 5 and seemed telepathically connected to Nagini in book 7, during the fight in Bathilda Bagshot’s house. I hadn’t actually considered that before - the Nagini/Voldemort connection is almost exactly the same as the Harry/Voldemort connection. If Voldemort had realized that Harry was a Horcrux, who knows what additional mischief he could have gotten up to (beyond sending Harry to the Ministry to rescue Sirius). So, props to Ms Rowlings for writing that consistently. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/130 "2011-07-17T15:27:28Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the movie has me thinking that harry married that cliche of marrying your mother. I didn’t actually see that - besides, Harry never actually knew his mother - wasn’t he more-or-less one when she died? The Dursleys certainly never talked much about her - his only knowledge of her was some converstion with Sirius (and probably Remus), and then a couple of mind melds with Snape. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/131 "2011-07-17T15:43:44Z")
> [@gardentraveler](#): > > What a neat picture,\*\* Mahaloth\*\*! > > Saw it last night and really liked it. I think I still like 3 the best, but this is a very close 2nd. I was also disappointed that some of my favorite characters were barely seen, but a movie that included everything and everyone I’d like to see would be impossibly long. I need to see it again; I’m sure there’s a lot I missed. > > Loved: Mrs. Weasley vs. Bellatrix; McGonnagall’s glee at being able to use the spell; Snape/Lily backstory; Snape’s last moments with Harry. I also thought they did a nice job with the Epilogue. Fit in much better than the book’s did, I thought. All of this. Favorite scene for me is Harry and AD in King’s Cross–one of my favorite in the book as well. Too much snake (but I’m phobic, so there is that) for me. Just enough Hagrid, very little on the giants and no Grawp (thank god). I think Ron could have been better developed, but I’ve thought that since the 2nd movie–he is not just comic relief as has been said. I loved the epilogue in the film, but will never voluntarily read the book epilogue again. It’s clunky and tacked on in the book. In the film, it makes a nice bookend. I do wish they had shot Ginny and Harry together in the epilogue-there are ways to show how devoted a married couple is to one another. Ginny’s ass is NOT fat in the epilogue–I doubt they gave her any padding there at all. I think posters with that opinion should come back to this thread when they are 36 and report on the size of their backsides(!). I really enjoyed this movie. It makes a nice complement to Part 1 and ties things up very nicely. Contrary to others here, many people clapped in the theater when LV died, when Neville killed the snake and when Bellatrix finally got her comeuppance. I am confused about one thing–it doesn’t matter for the film (because they have to take shortcuts), but I don’t recall AD’s wand being the Elder Wand at all. I thought it was the wand that Harry took off Draco before they escaped to Bill and Fleur’s cottage. Harry repairing his wand would have been a nice touch. So would him talking to AD’s portrait. But overall, I’m satisfied. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/132 "2011-07-17T16:08:11Z")
> [@kimera](#): > > Could you please tell me more details so I can find this online? I’d love to see it! > [@Sampiro](#): > > I think it was on TV Guide channel. Tom Felton was the main interviewee. I cannot find this, but would love to see it. Anyone have any idea where I could find it online? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![PeskiPiksi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e495f1/32.png) [@PeskiPiksi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeskiPiksi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/133 "2011-07-17T16:19:17Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I am confused about one thing–it doesn’t matter for the film (because they have to take shortcuts), but I don’t recall AD’s wand being the Elder Wand at all. I thought it was the wand that Harry took off Draco before they escaped to Bill and Fleur’s cottage. Harry repairing his wand would have been a nice touch. So would him talking to AD’s portrait. But overall, I’m satisfied. Dumbledore won the wand off of Grindewald way back when and had been using it ever since. Remember D & G were best buds for a summer when they were young, and became obssessed with finding the Hallows. Then when Harry is seeing into Voldie’s thoughts, we find he is hunting for the wand. He starts with Ollivander, goes to Gregorovitch (another wand maker), who had it, but then had it stolen from him by a young Grindewald. Then Grindewald and Dumbledore had their big battle and Dumbledore deafeated him, winning the loyalty of the wand. (Which goes to show what a badass Dumbledore was…he defeated a wizard using the Elder Wand!) Draco’s wand was just Draco’s wand until Harry won it from him. It was the wand that disarmed Dumbledore, which gave loyalty of the Elder wand to Draco, but Draco was never in possession of the Elder Wand. It’s confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/134 "2011-07-17T17:28:42Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I loved the epilogue in the film, but will never voluntarily read the book epilogue again. It’s clunky and tacked on in the book. In the film, it makes a nice bookend. I do wish they had shot Ginny and Harry together in the epilogue-there are ways to show how devoted a married couple is to one another. Ginny’s ass is NOT fat in the epilogue–I doubt they gave her any padding there at all. I think posters with that opinion should come back to this thread when they are 36 and report on the size of their backsides(!). > > I really enjoyed this movie. It makes a nice complement to Part 1 and ties things up very nicely. Contrary to others here, many people clapped in the theater when LV died, when Neville killed the snake and when Bellatrix finally got her comeuppance. > > I am confused about one thing–it doesn’t matter for the film (because they have to take shortcuts), but I don’t recall AD’s wand being the Elder Wand at all. I thought it was the wand that Harry took off Draco before they escaped to Bill and Fleur’s cottage. Harry repairing his wand would have been a nice touch. So would him talking to AD’s portrait. But overall, I’m satisfied. - Who said Ginny’s butt looked big? I didn’t see who said that. - Did people say that no one clapped/reacted when Neville killed the snake? My theater erupted. Haven’t seen that kind of reaction since Aragorn beheaded the Uruk-kai leader in Fellowship - Oh, and Dumbledore’s wand was definitely the Elder Wand in the book. You may need to re-read that book. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/135 "2011-07-17T18:22:29Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > - Did people say that no one clapped/reacted when Neville killed the snake? My theater erupted. Haven’t seen that kind of reaction since Aragorn beheaded the Uruk-kai leader in Fellowship In my theater people clapped at Bellatrix’s demise and the snake but NOT at Voldemort’s death because he slowly faded away. I think the midnight showing was full of people who read the book and there was a bit of a group WTH and then the moment passed. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/136 "2011-07-17T18:49:33Z")
I’m waiting to see it now (in 2D, though somehow I wound up with a set of 3D glasses?). ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/137 "2011-07-17T18:52:36Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I would not say the books are riddled with plot holes. I could write a book about plot holes. The subject of the book revolves around magic so basically anything is possible. Each bit of magic introduced carries with it a “what if” plot hole. Example, the “time turner” allows anyone to go back in time and observe what actually happens so their legal system would be flawless. Sirius would never have been imprisoned. The Death Eaters would not be able to say they were imperiusly cursed., etc… In the first book they protect the Sorcerer’s Stone with stuff that first year students easily get by. The entire series is based on the premise that wizards exist unbeknown to the public at large even though they marry non-wizards and are born to non-wizard parents. It can’t stand up to examination nor should it be required to. It’s light entertainment aimed at kids. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/138 "2011-07-17T18:57:24Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Neville sends out the word via his DA Galleon, and several DA members apparate into the Hogs’ Head and enter the school through the secret passage. I think that the movie even kept Neville’s line to Aberforth where he said that a couple people would be passing through. > > That’s how the Weasleys, etc ended up at Hogwarts for the battle. And that is how the Slitherin house is removed from Hogwarts. Hog’s Head is the entry/exit point which allows movement to the otherwise protected school. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/139 "2011-07-17T22:17:00Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > - Who said Ginny’s butt looked big? I didn’t see who said that. > > - Did people say that no one clapped/reacted when Neville killed the snake? My theater erupted. Haven’t seen that kind of reaction since Aragorn beheaded the Uruk-kai leader in Fellowship > > - Oh, and Dumbledore’s wand was definitely the Elder Wand in the book. You may need to re-read that book. Posts 77 and 79 comment on Ginny’s backside. I may be mixing up my HP threads on different message boards, but I thought some here found Neville’s contribution to be anticlimactic, which I don’t agree with. My new favorite Neville line is “People die every day!”. And who would know better than Neville (and Harry, too?). I don’t want to reread HP7, really. I thought in the book that it was found to not be AD’s wand that was the Elder Wand, but apparently it physically IS that wand, but the master of it was Draco, then Harry. I found that book so confusing re even the number of horcruxes, that it’s no wonder I lost a detail like the Elder Wand. I am looking forward to the DVD collection coming out. Anyone have any idea if they’re going to release extended editions like Jackson did for LOTR? I’d like to see some of the deleted scenes from this film–some of the editing (on second view) seems a bit overzealous. ---
**Author:** ![alexandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@alexandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alexandra)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952/140 "2011-07-17T22:24:29Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I could write a book about plot holes. The subject of the book revolves around magic so basically anything is possible. Each bit of magic introduced carries with it a “what if” plot hole. Example, the “time turner” allows anyone to go back in time and observe what actually happens so their legal system would be flawless. Sirius would never have been imprisoned. The Death Eaters would not be able to say they were imperiusly cursed., etc… True, but they were all smashed at some point during the series. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-part-2-discussion-thread-spoilers/588952.md?page=8)