# Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Seen It! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 18, 2010, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076 "2010-11-18T07:17:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/61 "2010-11-21T18:32:34Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > You aren’t. Ron and the others don’t know that the scar is a horcrux. So when Tom Riddle talks about splitting his soul into seven pieces, he’s including himself as one of them. There are in fact 8 pieces of Tom Marvolo Riddle floating around out there. Yargh, can we please spoiler book spoilers? Unless I somehow missed this in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/62 "2010-11-21T18:44:20Z")
technically at the begining of book 7 there are 6 pieces of riddle soul. diary piece and ring piece are dead. riddle talking about splitting his soul in 7 pieces was in book/movie 6 from slughorn’s memory. thus dumbledore and harry knew how many horcrux they must find and kill. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/63 "2010-11-21T18:48:16Z")
> [@multimediac17](#): > > I too thought it worked well. I think it’s an important part of the story and when I realised the connection (back when I was reading the books) it made me appreciate the books and films on a whole other level. It adds to the seriousness of the situation because we can (at least vaguely) tie it to something that happened in our real world - which makes this apparent fantasy seem scarier and more real. I was placing the spirit of the imagery as having been relevant to Britons. In the same way Top Gear is cool because it’s geared towards a slightly different culture, I figured WWII is still a strong cultural chord to Her and the environment she’s writing in. Look at C.S. Lewis and the Narnia series, very WWII. Look at J.R.R. Tolkien, there’s some there, too. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/64 "2010-11-21T19:07:49Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > Yargh, can we please spoiler book spoilers? Unless I somehow missed this in the movie. When you see something that should be spoilered, report the post and a mod will be happy to add the spoiler boxes. You can also report your own post if you say something then realize you should have spoilered it. Which of course doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t be careful about it in the first place! ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/65 "2010-11-21T21:10:05Z")
> [@Unintentionally\_Blank](#): > > I was placing the spirit of the imagery as having been relevant to Britons. In the same way Top Gear is cool because it’s geared towards a slightly different culture, I figured WWII is still a strong cultural chord to Her and the environment she’s writing in. > > Look at C.S. Lewis and the Narnia series, very WWII. > > Look at J.R.R. Tolkien, there’s some there, too. You do know that Lewis and Tolkien were writers DURING World War II, right? (As well as before and after.) And Rowling some half a century later? ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/66 "2010-11-21T21:56:12Z")
> [@PeskiPiksi](#): > > –I thought they went a little too fast with the Malfoy Manor scene–It wasn’t very clear why Bellatrix was so upset to see the sword. But maybe that will be clarified in the next movie. Maybe it’s because I was expecting it, but she was very clear that the sword was supposed to be in her bank vault. Which is why she wanted to question the goblin. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/67 "2010-11-21T22:07:35Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > Maybe it’s because I was expecting it, but she was very clear that the sword was supposed to be in her bank vault. Which is why she wanted to question the goblin. And they left out Harry telling the Goblin to lie about it. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/68 "2010-11-21T22:10:18Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > And they left out Harry telling the Goblin to lie about it. True. There’s a million little details missing, but they got the points across. ---
**Author:** ![maggenpye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@maggenpye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maggenpye)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/69 "2010-11-21T22:57:04Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > True. There’s a million little details missing, but they got the points across. I’d agree with this. I haven’t read the book since it’s release in 2007, but I don’t feel that I’ve lost any of the vital plotlines. I really liked the pick-up of Bill Weasley’s story which was quite an involved subplot dropped from Half Blood Prince - all we needed to know in one sentence each from Bill and Fleur. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/70 "2010-11-21T23:52:17Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > True. There’s a million little details missing, but they got the points across. Did they? I had to explain to the person I was with why Belatrix went ballistic and why the elf was brought up. The scene went by kinda fast without any set-up. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/71 "2010-11-22T02:06:32Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Did they? I had to explain to the person I was with why Belatrix went ballistic and why the elf was brought up. The scene went by kinda fast without any set-up. Had they seen the prior movies? I think the LA Times had it right that this film was NOT made for Potter first timers. There are a ton of things you were expected to already know, such as that the goblins run the bank. So when she freaked out that the sword that had been in her bank vault was missing, a goblin is she would interrogate. If you didn’t already know that, then no it wouldn’t make sense. ---
**Author:** ![maggenpye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@maggenpye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maggenpye)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/72 "2010-11-22T02:10:57Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Did they? I had to explain to the person I was with why Belatrix went ballistic and why the elf was brought up. The scene went by kinda fast without any set-up. But Scrimegour did the exposition for that (sword missing!) when he read the will, then it was backed up with the kids telling each other that the goblins had made the sword but couldn’t be trusted but it will always go to the true Griffindor at greatest need. Belatrix thought she had the stolen sword safely locked in her Gringotts vault (and said as much)- when she saw it with the Griffindor students, she thought she’d been betrayed by the Goblins when the sword simply went to those who needed it. with a little help from Headmaster Snape as we may or may not learn in the next film. The Elves are Dobby and Kreacher - they had nothing to do with the sword. (damn my slow typing and you too, **Antinor01!** ) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/73 "2010-11-22T03:20:05Z")
Goblin, not elf :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Kiros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/439d5e/32.png) [@Kiros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiros)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/74 "2010-11-22T04:11:32Z")
I’ve seen all of the movies, and all of them from 3 on at least twice, and I couldn’t have told you a damn thing about “Goblins” and “bank vault” if I didn’t have a helpful book-fan along with me to explain afterwards. Just for another data point. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/75 "2010-11-22T06:32:19Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > You aren’t. Ron and the others don’t know that the scar is a horcrux. So when Tom Riddle talks about splitting his soul into seven pieces, he’s including himself as one of them. There are in fact 8 pieces of Tom Marvolo Riddle floating around out there. Yeah, but doesn’t Ron say at one point that there are seven? Or Harry tells him there are seven? So what is he thinking of when he says there are three left? When Ron said that line it left me scratching my head as well, trying to think what I had forgotten. > [@Kiros](#): > > I’ve seen all of the movies, and all of them from 3 on at least twice, and I couldn’t have told you a damn thing about “Goblins” and “bank vault” if I didn’t have a helpful book-fan along with me to explain afterwards. Just for another data point. 🙂 Well that was pretty clearly explained in earlier films, I wouldn’t really expect them to have to restate every little thing that happened previously at the beginning of each film. ---
**Author:** ![maggenpye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@maggenpye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maggenpye)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/76 "2010-11-22T08:17:28Z")
It’s in the first film, during Harry’s first visit to Diagon Alley. Hagrid takes Harry to Gringott’s, explains that these are goblins and they run the bank as the safest place to keep your treasures in the wizarding world. Then they go into the vaults, with the elaborate security systems, grab some coinage for Harry and the Philosopher’s Stone for Hagrid to deliver to Dumbledore, who suspects that Gringott’s may not be quite safe enough. Then, during breakfast at Hogwarts, Harry, Ron and Hermione discuss the fact that Gringott’s bank was broken into and their security breached. There are accompanying pictures of the goblins looking mighty annoyed, even though the only vault broken into was empty. Harry realises that it was the vault Hagrid had visited during their time at Gringott’s. The item taken was the philosopher’s stone and the movie has a plot. I think Ron mentions in a later movie that one of his brothers is working with the goblins at Gringotts - can anyone confirm that? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/77 "2010-11-22T08:36:24Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Well that was pretty clearly explained in earlier films, I wouldn’t really expect them to have to restate every little thing that happened previously at the beginning of each film. It’s been a few years since I watched it, but in the very first film, doesn’t Hagrid take Harry to the bank to retrieve some money before they go to Diagon Alley? I could swear I remember the goblins being shown as obviously being in charge of the bank. I’ve read the books since then, several times, so sometimes it’s hard for me to remember what I saw and what I think I saw because I’m thinking of the books. I happen to love how there are so many book references in the movie(s). I understand if book readers complain that something is cut out altogether, but too often book readers complain that something, whatever, isn’t explained or expanded when the only reason it’s in the movie in the first place is a nod to the book readers. Most of the time it’s not necessary for non-book readers to get it (like “Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs”). I like the idea that book readers get the most out of the movies because they have all the holes filled, they know all the things that aren’t there, and can fill in the blanks. Most of the time non-book readers don’t even know there’s a hole, a blank (like “Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs”), the scripts are written so well. I just don’t understand the complaining. Sure there are things I’d like to see onscreen, but we book readers have the knowledge that this or that or the other happened this way or that way, before this or after that. It’s there in our imaginations. I think the movies, all of them, have done a very good job of showing what’s necessary for the non-book reader, while throwing a lot of tasty bones to the book readers. Why is it that so many book readers don’t appreciate those bones? I liked the movie a lot, and want to see it again soon. I did the Adventure and it was such a joy seeing Order of the Phoenix, Half-Blood Prince, and then the new one all in a row. It was a great experience. One of my favorite parts that never drew attention to itself, is how their tent kept getting smaller outside, but bigger inside, with multi levels and bunk beds and a picnic table. That’s something that harkens back to Goblet of Fire, only then, the huge inside of the tent was marveled at and remarked upon (didn’t Harry say something like “I love magic”?) while this time, it was just the normal thing. I also loved Hermione’s bottomless purse. It was a normal thing to book readers, and one of those bones I appreciated. I don’t know if any non-book readers were confused by it, but if they were, what difference does it make? It’s magic. It was a bottomless purse that could hold just about anything of any size. That’s all anyone who hasn’t read the books needs to know. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/78 "2010-11-22T12:23:25Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > I also loved Hermione’s bottomless purse. It was a normal thing to book readers, and one of those bones I appreciated. I don’t know if any non-book readers were confused by it, but if they were, what difference does it make? It’s magic. It was a bottomless purse that could hold just about anything of any size. That’s all anyone who hasn’t read the books needs to know. Have you ever looked at the contents of a woman’s purse? That was a Muggle item if ever I saw one. ---
**Author:** ![Kiros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/439d5e/32.png) [@Kiros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiros)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/79 "2010-11-22T13:11:16Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Well that was pretty clearly explained in earlier films, I wouldn’t really expect them to have to restate every little thing that happened previously at the beginning of each film. I guess we’re going to have to disagree on the definition of “pretty clearly explained”, then. It got one scene and some lines of exposition in a movie that came out nine years ago, and hasn’t been significantly mentioned in any of the movies since, all of which are filled with their own little tidbits to pay attention to. If you haven’t read the books to know what you’re looking for, why would that stand out among the rest, never mind connecting it to why Bellatrix is so angry (not that that isn’t pretty much her default state when she’s with the kids)? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076/80 "2010-11-22T14:46:21Z")
It is getting pretty hard at this point for anyone without good knowledge of the books to follow some of the details. I have read them multiple times, though, so I have little problem. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-seen-it/561076.md?page=5)