# Harry Potter and The Philosopher's Stone -- I mean The Sorcerer's Stone **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 30, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611 "2010-07-30T18:26:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wakinyan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wakinyan/32/352_2.png) [@Wakinyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wakinyan)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/1 "2010-07-30T18:26:46Z")
Why was the English movie Harry Potter and The Philosopher’s Stone renamed to Harry Potter and The _Sorcerer’s_ Stone in the USA? (According to [IMDB](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0241527/), every time The Philosopher’s Stone was mentioned, the scene was filmed twice, once were the actors said “Philosopher’s Stone”, and once were they said “The Sorcerer’s Stone”.) This strikes me a very odd, not only for the obvious reasons (as in “why bother”), but also since [The Philosopher’s Stone](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher%27s_stone) is a historical, well, term. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/2 "2010-07-30T18:31:26Z")
The movie was named after the book, which was named “… Philosopher’s Stone” outside the U.S., and “… Sorcerer’s Stone” in the U.S. So the question really is why the book was renamed. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/3 "2010-07-30T18:34:31Z")
According to [the Wikipedia article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Philosopher%27s_Stone#USA_publication_and_reception), the book was renamed because apparently American children ‘would not want to read a book with the word “philosopher” in the title.’ :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/4 "2010-07-30T18:34:36Z")
My understanding is that the publishing company thought americans were less likely to buy the book if they thought it was going to be about some brainmelting philosophical thought experiment. It’s not the only difference between american and british versions but it is probably the most noticeable one. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/5 "2010-07-30T19:00:53Z")
Am I the only one who’s depressed at the notion of people thinking of it as a movie first, rather than as a book? ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/6 "2010-07-30T19:14:11Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Am I the only one who’s depressed at the notion of people thinking of it as a movie first, rather than as a book? What! There were books?!? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/7 "2010-07-30T19:15:49Z")
Cafe Society forum? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/8 "2010-07-30T19:16:49Z")
Moving to CS from GQ. ---
**Author:** ![from\_a\_to\_z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5fc32e/32.png) [@from\_a\_to\_z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/from_a_to_z)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/9 "2010-07-30T20:01:56Z")
…here is the discussion on the same topic: [When translating works from British to American English, should the spellings be changed?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=570195) ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/10 "2010-07-30T21:11:17Z")
> [@Wakinyan](#): > > This strikes me a very odd, not only for the obvious reasons (as in “why bother”), but also since [The Philosopher’s Stone](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher%27s_stone) is a historical, well, term. Which was precisly why it was a dumb, dumb move: The Philsopher’s Stone is a well-known historical idea - like unicorns and giants and wizards, that Rowling used as established ideas to build her own universe with. But Sorcerers Stone doesn’t exist before Harry Potter. All the clues towards the long-life aspect of the Stone that the British readers got throughout the book were lost on the readers of the changed American version, so that the big reveal at the finale of the book came out of the blue for the latter, and was a confirmation for astute readers of the former. Luckily, with the following books Rowling was both more famous and more self-assure to insist on keeping the same title on both sides of the pond. Maybe this will be wakeup call to US publishers on how dumb this practise of re-naming books for the US market is, and they will finally stop? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/11 "2010-07-30T21:20:28Z")
It’s not like it’s a distinctly British historical idea, either. I first learned of it from D&D manuals, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Keeve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Keeve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keeve)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/12 "2010-07-30T21:26:12Z")
[QUOTE=constanze] The Philsopher’s Stone is a well-known historical idea [/QUOTE] Well-known among who? I’d agree with this if the intended audience was very well-read adults. But the great majority of Americans (and certainly of American children) would expect a philosopher’s stone to be the pet rock of some great thinker, and would not expect it to be magical in any way. ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/13 "2010-07-30T22:31:05Z")
> [@Keeve](#): > > [QUOTE=constanze] > The Philsopher’s Stone is a well-known historical idea Well-known among who? I’d agree with this if the intended audience was very well-read adults. But the great majority of Americans (and certainly of American children) would expect a philosopher’s stone to be the pet rock of some great thinker, and would not expect it to be magical in any way. [/QUOTE] Um sorry, among average interested adults? You know, adults the children to when they happen unto an unknown word? If the majority of the average American adults really have never heard of the Philosophers stone in passing … come on, this was the basis of Alchemy, which later become chemistry, the search for a stone that could turn lead into gold and make people live forever (the two biggest dreams, as Dumbledore explains). Did you not learn about that in science class 7th grade or so? (I weep for your country then). I was thinking more along with what Isaac Asimov said about never underestimating children, esp. children interested in reading, who are able to look things up, are way smarter than adults think, and how insulting it is for them to dumb things down in books, instead of letting them discover new things by looking up. Also, the first books were not marketed or intended towards the mass of children. The whole hype of “children who never looked at a book before are reading now” started later and, while seized on as convenient by adults, was never Rowlings intention. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/14 "2010-07-30T23:07:18Z")
I think the name should have stayed\* Philosopher’s Stone\*, but I also think you’re kidding yourself if you believe more than a small percentage of Americans, even reading Americans, learned and recall the concept. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/15 "2010-07-31T00:14:43Z")
I’m fairly well read and read the books as an adult, but I hadn’t heard of a Philosopher’s Stone. I had heard of alchemy and lead into gold and stuff like that, but never a specific item to assist in that. I’m irritated they changed the name and I think they should have left it. So what if a lot of us didn’t know what it was? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/16 "2010-07-31T00:21:49Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > I think the name should have stayed\* Philosopher’s Stone\*, but I also think you’re kidding yourself if you believe more than a small percentage of Americans, even reading Americans, learned and recall the concept. Well, if they were regular readers of Flash comics, they might recognize the “philosopher’s stone” as the element-altering magical weapon of one of his multitude of enemies; Doctor Alchemy. ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/41988e/32.png) [@Tequila\_Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/17 "2010-07-31T00:33:05Z")
I remember back when I read the first book, wondering what a sorceror’s stone was. After the explanation, I thought “ok…so it’s pretty much like a philosopher’s stone then” without even knowing about the change. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/18 "2010-07-31T00:56:35Z")
Imho, there’s a bunch of dumb things that publishers do out of fear, especially for new authors or new markets. I would file this under that. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/19 "2010-07-31T01:56:12Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > I think the name should have stayed\* Philosopher’s Stone\*, but I also think you’re kidding yourself if you believe more than a small percentage of Americans, even reading Americans, learned and recall the concept. I think quite a few Americans who read fantasy novels or play games with fantasy settings would have encountered the term Philosopher’s Stone that way. This group must constitute a fairly large percentage of the _Harry Potter_ audience. But even if only a tiny number of American readers would have recognized the term “Philosopher’s Stone”, that’s still more than the number of readers who’d recognize the freshly coined term “Sorcerer’s Stone”. ---
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611/20 "2010-07-31T02:16:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It’s not like it’s a distinctly British historical idea, either. I first learned of it from D&D manuals, for instance. I think history goes back to before D&D books. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-i-mean-the-sorcerers-stone/548611.md?page=2)