# Harry Potter: Let's Talk Names **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 7, 2003, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740 "2003-07-07T10:38:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/1 "2003-07-07T10:38:49Z")
J.K. Rowling has a knack for great names. Let’s talk about them. Lupin: Turns into a Lupi_s_ (a wolf). Weasely: The entire family is second-hand. It sounds like someone up the tree wanted a great name like Lion or Lynx and had to settle for that. Moony: A werewolf. Padfoot: A dog. Prongs: A deer (antlers). Wormtail: A rat. Let’s talk about it and mention some spell names too. I took Spanish instead of Latin, so I don’t get many of them (_Accio?_). ---
**Author:** ![Lsura](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Lsura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lsura)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/2 "2003-07-07T12:36:27Z")
The first one that pops to my mind is: Sirius Black - Sirius is the “dog star”. Sirius is an Animagus who becomes a black dog. Also, a brief search for names in the books gave me [this site](http://www.geocities.com/rokerbaby93087/nameorigins.html). Definitely some interesting comments on there, but I don’t know mythology, so I don’t know how accurate everything is. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/3 "2003-07-07T12:58:04Z")
In the main [Order of the Phoenix thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=192420) we had a couple of posts discussing J.K. Rowling’s way with names. In particular, I observed: > [@](#): > > \*\*Roger Ebert has promulgated what he calls the “First Law of Funny Names”, which states that funny names aren’t funny, except when used by W.C. Fields or P.G. Wodehouse. > > I think we can add J.K. Rowling to the law. She has an amazing talent for creating hillarious names, each of which is perfectly appropriate to the character: > > Alastor Moody > Severous Snape > Dolores Umbridge > Nymphadora Tonks > Mundungus Fletcher > Arabella Figg > Angus Filtch > Remus Lupin (My daughter asks: “Is there a Romulus Lupin?”) > > and my personal favorites: > > Lucius, Narcissa, and Draco Malfoy > > Bloody marvelous!\*\* Thanks to the Internet, here’s a fairly comprehensive list of character names (through Goblet of Fire): **Hogwarts Students** Harry Potter Ron Weasley Hermione Granger Neville Longbottom Seamus Finnigan Dean Thomas Fred & George Weasley Ginny Weasley Colin Creevey Parvati Patil Lavender Brown Lee Jordan Draco Malfoy Vincent Crabbe Gregory Goyle Marcus Flint Millicent Bulstrode Pansy Parkinson Cedric Diggory Hannah Abbot Justin Finch-Fletchley Ernie Macmillan Cho Chang Penelope Clearwater Padma Patil **Hogwarts Teachers, Staff & Ghosts** Professor Albus Dumbledore Argus Filch Professor Flitwick Professor Grubbly-Plank Rubeus Hagrid Madam Hooch Professor Kettleburn Professor Lockhart Professor Remus Lupin Professor Minerva McGonagall Professor Alastor Moody Madam Pince Madam Pomfrey Professor Quirrell Professor Sinistra Professor Severus Snape Professor Sprout Professor Sybil Trelawney Professor Vector Professor Binns Nearly Headless Nick Bloody Baron Fat Friar Gray Lady Peeves the Poltergeist Moaning Myrtle **Miscellaneous Characters** Sirius Black Frank Bryce Oliver Wood Ludo Bagman Cornelius Fudge Rita Skeeter Viktor Krum Armando Dippet Amos Diggory Fleur Delacour Ernie Prang Hassan Mostafa Madame Maxime Stanley Shunpike **Family Members** Arthur Weasley Molly Weasley Bill Weasley Charlie Weasley Percy Weasley Uncle Vernon Aunt Petunia Dudley Dursley Aunt Marge Lucius Malfoy Narcissa Malfoy Mr. & Mrs. Riddle Tom Riddle Sr. Tom Marvolo Riddle aka Lord “Thingy” Grandma Longbottom Bartolomeus “Barty” Crouch Mrs. Crouch Barty Crouch Jr. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/4 "2003-07-07T13:12:08Z")
I think it’s interesting how the split between “normal” first names (to my Muggle ears – “Tom” probably sounds as eccentric in the wizarding world as “Mundungus” sounds to us) and bizarre ones is about 50-50. Furthermore, Rowling usually supplies or hints at some plausible explanation of how the handful of non-Muggle born wizards with “normal” names ended up that way. E.g., Tom Riddle is named after his Muggle father; Harry Potter may be named after one of Lily’s relatives; the whole Weasley brood were probably named by their father, who is in love with all things Muggle. The big exceptions, so far as I can tell, are Vincent Crabbe, Gregory Goyle, and James Potter. I wonder if she’s going to do anything with this in future books. It would be interesting if the Crabbe and Goyle families turned out not to be as pure-blooded as they pretend to be. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/5 "2003-07-07T14:15:00Z")
Arthur Weasley struck me as being similair to Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington. ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/6 "2003-07-07T14:32:36Z")
I’ve always liked Rowling’s use of names as well. Each character seems aptly-named. Also, objects and spells have great names; I particularly like “Spell-O-Tape.” The one I haven’t been able to figure out yet is in the new book, the judicial wizarding body known as the “Wizengamot.” I’m honestly not even sure how to pronounce it, but is that name a play on something else from our world? Seems like it should be, but I don’t recognize it if it is. And just how the heck d’you say “Wizengamot,” anyway? ---
**Author:** ![beefymeg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@beefymeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beefymeg)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/7 "2003-07-07T16:01:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wolfian \* > I took Spanish instead of Latin, so I don’t get many of them (_Accio?_). _Accio_ = “access” Cool, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/8 "2003-07-07T16:14:15Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Fretful Porpentine \* > \*\* > The big exceptions, so far as I can tell, are Vincent Crabbe, Gregory Goyle, and James Potter._\* When I think of Goyle’s full name, my mind goes “Gregory Goyle =\> Greg Goyle =\> Gar Goyle”. He’s Draco’s pet gargoyle! ---
**Author:** ![Wumpus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8c91f0/32.png) [@Wumpus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wumpus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/9 "2003-07-07T17:09:35Z")
“Gemot” is an old Anglo-Saxon word for a meeting or tribunal: [http://www.bartleby.com/61/49/G0074900.html](http://www.bartleby.com/61/49/G0074900.html) So the implication is that the Wizengamot is an ancient wizard’s tribunial that goes all the way back to the Anglo-Saxon days. It’s not the case that all purebloods have weird first names and mudbloods have normal ones – note that the pureblood Weasley’s all have very ordinary first names, for example. (Even if Arthur named them all, that still doesn’t explain why his name is Arthur and his wife’s name is Molly.) The rule seems to be that the people Harry looks upon as normal have normal first names, while the more special or unusual people have unusual first names. For example, the vast majority of Harry’s fellow students have normal first names (or, if they’re not normal, they’re merely old-fashioned: Millicent, Lavender, Hermione). So do the members of Harry’s surrogate family, the Weasleys. On the other hand, the extraordinary people Harry runs across tend to have extraordinary names: Albus Dubledore, Sirius Black, Severus Snape, Draco Malfoy. So do the eccentric minor characters who flit in and out, like Cornelius Fudge and Rita Skeeter. And then we have Delores Umbridge, who manages to have a name that is both perfectly normal _and_ a whopping great pun (Delores Umbridge = dolorous umbrage = woeful offense). ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/10 "2003-07-07T17:15:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Avalonian \* > > The one I haven’t been able to figure out yet is in the new book, the judicial wizarding body known as the “Wizengamot.” I’m honestly not even sure how to pronounce it, but is that name a play on something else from our world? Seems like it should be, but I don’t recognize it if it is. > > And just how the heck d’you say “Wizengamot,” anyway? I would pronounce it “wiz-en-ga-moot”, I think. I don’t know that it’s a play on anything in particular. It’s derived from “moot” or Old English “mOt”, which basically refers to a court–“a deliberative assembly primarily for the administration of justice”, according to Webster’s. (On preview, I see that **Wumpus** has already addressed this. Oh, well.) As for other names: Fawkes–Dumbledore’s phoenix shares a name with Guy Fawkes, along with the obvious bonfire link. Arsenious Jigger–Author of the first year Potions text. “Arsenious” (containing arsenic, and therefore poisonous) + “jigger” (a drink-mixing measurement, about 1-2 ounces). Roughly, a shot of poison–just the sort of author one would expect Snape to pick. Emeric Switch–Author of the first year Transfiguration text. “Switch” is obvious, and my brain keeps trying to make “Emeric” an anagram of “chimera”, but it doesn’t quite work. Sybil Trelawney–“Sibyl”, a female prophet or fortuneteller, derived from Greek mythology, IIRC. Cassandra Vablatsky–Author of the Divination text. “Cassandra” (Greek prophetess cursed by Apollo to speak true prophecy, and not be believed) + Vablatsky (anagram of Blavatsky–I assume this is a reference Madame Helena Blavatsky, Theosophical Society founder, former seance assistant, and psychic-about-town). That’ll do for a start, anyway. I may post more when I get home and have the books at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/11 "2003-07-07T17:19:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Mr. & Mrs. Riddle > Tom Riddle Sr. > Tom Marvolo Riddle aka Lord “Thingy” And of course the “riddle” is the real identity of T. M. R. My mom, a big fan of the books, was excited when the character of Tom Marvolo Riddle appeared, because her maiden name was Riddle. Needless to say, she was a bit disappointed when she found out who Tom really was. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/12 "2003-07-08T02:34:48Z")
Neville Longbottom- Neville Chamberlain is a Prime Minister that is often, some night say unfairly, put down as is the books’ Neville. As he is a comical character he gets the comical last name Longbottom. Luna Lovegood- I get a very hippie vibe from her and I can see a pair of hippies naming their child Luna. As for the Lovegood, is she a future love interest. Will she calm Harry down and teach him to “love good,” that is love in a good manner. Draco Malfoy- A real Greek philosopher from whom the word “Dracoian” has its origin. Lucius Malfoy- Lucius-light. Maybe a devil reference (Lucifer). The Blacks- all star names. Narcissa serves a double purpose (a vain nymph). ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/13 "2003-07-08T02:56:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wolfian \* > \*\* > Draco Malfoy- A real Greek philosopher from whom the word “Dracoian” has its origin. > \*\* I assure you there was no Greek philosopher named “Draco Malfoy”. There wasn’t even a Greek philosopher named just “Draco”, which is probably what you meant. The man whose name gives us the word “draconian” was an Athenian lawgiver known for his severity. “Draco” also means dragon or serpent, so it’s fitting for a Slytherin. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/14 "2003-07-08T03:16:34Z")
If she is so creative, why did she take her main character’s name from the subpar 1986 movie “Troll”? [http://us.imdb.com/Title?0092115](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0092115) (or is this a coincidence that has been discussed already?) ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/15 "2003-07-08T03:31:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Avalonian \* > The one I haven’t been able to figure out yet is in the new book, the judicial wizarding body known as the “Wizengamot.” I’m honestly not even sure how to pronounce it, but is that name a play on something else from our world? Seems like it should be, but I don’t recognize it if it is. > > And just how the heck d’you say “Wizengamot,” anyway? To expand on what **Wumpus** and **Balance** have already posted, the [witenagemot](http://www.bartleby.com/61/15/W0191500.html) was > [@](#): > > An Anglo-Saxon advisory council to the king, composed of about 100 nobles, prelates, and other officials, convened at intervals to discuss administrative and judicial affairs. A [gemot](http://www.bartleby.com/61/49/G0074900.html) was a council, the witenagemot was the Supreme National Council of the kingdom, and Rowling is probably alluding to that with her “Wizengamot”. (Also, she’s an English writer; the English, even English schoolkids, might be expected to be more familiar with the allusion. Fortunately, they refrained from pulling any “Sorceror’s Stone”-style changes to the “Wizard Congress” or anything like that.) ---
**Author:** ![Katisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bcef8e/32.png) [@Katisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katisha)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/16 "2003-07-08T03:35:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Balance \* > \*\*I would pronounce it “wiz-en-ga-moot”, I think. I don’t know that it’s a play on anything in particular. It’s derived from “moot” or Old English “mOt”, which basically refers to a court–“a deliberative assembly primarily for the administration of justice”, according to Webster’s. \*\* I think (based on two semesters of Old English and the fact that my department has a grad student colloquium called _Mickelgemote_) it’d be more like “wiz-en-ya-mote,” actually. In any case I loved the name. 😉 > [@](#): > > “Draco” also means dragon or serpent, so it’s fitting for a Slytherin. And _Malfoy_ is French for “bad faith.” ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/17 "2003-07-08T06:01:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Katisha \* > \*\*And _Malfoy_ is French for “bad faith.” \*\* Seems probable, _foi_ being anglicized to “foy”, alternatively, the “foy” could be an abbreviated form of _foyer_ (foy-eh), meaning “hearth”, giving (broadly speaking) a name of “Bad-home”. ---
**Author:** ![mulletsunite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mulletsunite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mulletsunite)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/18 "2003-07-08T20:52:22Z")
don’t forget dumbledore! Albus Dumbledore… “albus” is latin for white, or light - obviously, he is associated with “white magic” as opposed to the dark arts i found this one really interesting - “dumbledore” means bumblebee (i’m not quite sure of the origins) - he is someone who is always doing something for the good of his “colony” (in this case, Hogwarts) Minerva McGonagle - minerva was a goddess of knowledge does anybody have anything to say on the flower names for sisters Lily and Petunia? i’m not quite sure what jkr meant by this, maybe perhaps that a Lily is seen as pure, and it is also the flower traditionally associated with death and funerals - a petunia is simply a common garden flower ---
**Author:** ![mulletsunite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mulletsunite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mulletsunite)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/19 "2003-07-08T20:55:18Z")
ps…i now am kind of wondering if Remus Lupin has a brother named Romulus…hmm…maybe he has a twin somewhere? and does anybody have any idea what the significance of prof. sinistra is? she (i think it’s a she…the names sounds almost like a feminine counterpart to severus snape) appears several times, sitting at the teacher’s table in the great hall, but what does she/he teach? ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740/20 "2003-07-08T20:58:09Z")
Not only does Remus Lupin’s last name hint that he’s a werewolf (Lupus = Latin for wolf), so does his first. After all, in Roman legend, Remus and his brother Romulus were raised by a wolf! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-lets-talk-names/186740.md?page=2)