# Harry Potter Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 25, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429 "2010-06-25T01:13:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/541 "2010-07-21T03:05:54Z")
Vote Count: Hardly(1): Meeko Zeriel(3): Chipacabra, Jimmy, ShadowFacts 37 Hours remaining in the Day, folks. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/542 "2010-07-21T03:51:57Z")
Oh hey, I was playing mafia, that’s right. I was gonna post earlier but Meeko’s death surprised me. One, that there’s a daykiller out and about and two befuddlement about why they chose meeko for the honor. As our newly departed would say, this game has gone sideways. I know it’s of little use to speculate on the how or why but I really hope that was a one shot deal and if it’s not, I really hope the player in question keeps it in his pants for the foreseeable future. Although now I’m tempted to reread and see if there’s a PO’ed party somewhere that I can spot. Or maybe it’s a lurker feeling irate. Anyway, I’d like to hear from zeriel about the current discussion. I was gonna talk to meeko but unfortunately I missed the boat on that one. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/543 "2010-07-21T10:12:16Z")
Well that was unexpected. Back to the drawing board. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/544 "2010-07-21T11:59:13Z")
I also started a WoW on **Zeriel** yesterDay, I’ll post it anyway…[#52](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12618261&postcount=52) Confirms [#126](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12626717&postcount=126) Comments on **Rysto** discussion and breadcrumbing [#138](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12628197&postcount=138) To **Drain** , scum do slip up [#188](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12634767&postcount=188) Joke votes **Peeker** [#189](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12634772&postcount=189) Unvotes, re-reading to look for a “rip-roaring unequivocal accusation of scumminess” [#223](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12638780&postcount=223) Seems to defend **Omi** ’s vote for **Chipa** (subtle scumminess) to **Drain** but then votes **Omi** for his bad attitude [#224](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12638787&postcount=224) NETA, clarification #244-254 Fluff [#309](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12651289&postcount=309) Refuses to believe names are meaningful. Votes for **Red** as “…there’s no possible pro-town reason to leave him alive.” [#319](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12652468&postcount=319) Refuses to acknowledge possibility of jesters and bombs [#323](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12653279&postcount=323) To **OaOW** , leashing an SK only works if the SK has claimed a non-exclusive win con #351 Fluff [#386](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12671012&postcount=386) To **Shadow** , doubts **Story** was defending **Red** [#418](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12674305&postcount=418) Votes **Chronos** for comments on scum team, will be absent [#429](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12675126&postcount=429) Second mason should claim, threatens to vote **Story** [#434](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12675375&postcount=434) To **Story** , no response to comment. Could possibly see how strategy makes sense [#435](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12675385&postcount=435) Comment on **Story** ’s sarcasm not helping his fellow mason if **Story** is killed [#447](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12676177&postcount=447) Thinks **Story** ’s strategy is risky. Recalls Monkgate [#451](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12677740&postcount=451) Explains Monkgate #485 Fluff re: Monkgate [#517](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12703848&postcount=517) Hasn’t got a lot to say, is paranoid. Votes **Meeko** for casting suspicion on other players and then OMGUS voting someone elseThings that jump out at me: - he’s commented on game mechanics, the meaning of color and other games, but hasn’t contributed much to the hunt for scum - He voted for **Omi** 6th, about 2 hours before the deadline “I think Oni’s desultory comments speak towards a fundamentally bad-for-town attitude (that is, that town can’t win until the scum hands us something to win with).”, did **Omi** say this? I couldn’t find a quote. - His vote for **Chronos** was based on statements about the scum team makeup that were “little too matter-of-fact and specific”. While he was matter-of-fact about **Red** being the most expendable, he hedged his comment about the team makeup, **Chronos** actually said “It’s my impression that around here, games structured around some canon generally have all of the Scum roles distinct, with (say) one Godfather, one Scum Roleblocker, one Scum Investigator, and one vanilla Scum.” - “my impression”, “generally”, “(say)” do not indicate “matter-of-fact” - His interaction with **Story** seemed honest and he appeared to back down once **Story** explained his strategy - His own attitude towards the game seems to be bad-for-town “Y’know, I just find myself with not a lot to say in these games anymore.” - Of the remaining players, he’s at the bottom of my trust-o-meter: **Vote Zeriel** Since no-one has counter-claimed **Story** and we know that George was a mason, I’ve updated the vote counts with color, E&OE:[spoiler]Day 1: Shadowfacts(0): Chipacabra (114 [del]136[/del]) Tiltawhirl/Chronos(0): Chipacabra (136 [del]145[/del]) Chipacabra(3): Red Skeezix (139), Meeko (193), Ominokami (199) Storyteller(0): Chipacabra (145 [del]162[/del]) Red Skeezix(2): ShadowFacts (152), Chipacabra (165) FreudianSlit/HardlySanguine(1): Rysto (186) Ominokami(6): DrainBead (203), JimmyChitwood (206), Oneandonly (214), Guiri (216), Ninja-v1 (218), Zeriel (223) Not voting(6): ColdPhoenix/Normal, FreudianSlit/HardlySanguine, Inner Stickler, Pedescribe/LittlePlasticNinja, Storyteller, Tiltawhirl/Chronos Day 3: Red Skeezix(12): Rysto (280), ShadowFacts (284), Chipacabra (288), OneandOnly (289), JimmyChitwood (302), Guiri (303), Storyteller (305), InnerStickler (306), Zeriel (309), tiltawhirl/Chronos (322), Meeko (334), Ninja-v1 (335) Rysto(1): Pedescribe/LittlePlasticNinja (296) Pedescribe/LittlePlasticNinja(1): JimmyChitwood (299 [del]302[/del]), Red Skeezix (300) Not voting(1): FreudianSlit/HardlySanguine Day 4: Pedescribe/LittlePlasticNinja(1): ShadowFacts (390) Chronos(8): Inner Stickler (408), Zeriel (418), OneandOnly (419), Storyteller (424), Guiri (425), LittlePlasticNinja (440), Meeko (442), Chipacabra (445) Storyteller(1): Chronos (427) ShadowFacts(1): Jimmy (461)[/spoiler]Looking at the Day 1 non-voters, I think that 5 of them gave reasons or were substituted. @ **Inner Stickler** , did you have a reason for not voting on Day 1? > [@Chipacabra](#): > > 1. OneandOnly Wanderers > Third on the bandwagon against Omi, which is the most suspicious vote. @ **Chipa** , you were the 3rd vote on **Red** the next Day! > [@Chipacabra](#): > > 1. Guiri > He made the first vote against Red after Red’s false reveal, which strongly pings town to me. While this will probably undo your pings, I wasn’t the first to vote **Red** after the claim, it was **Jimmy** one post earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/545 "2010-07-21T13:23:58Z")
Hey, if you guys haven’t figured out how I play by now, go ahead. I stand by my assessment that a mason who hasn’t been partner-verified is no mason at all. I don’t see the need to babble endlessly about a vote when I spot something scummy or inconsistent–ESPECIALLY in a game as quiet as this. I stand by my assessment that Red’s play was pretty much stupid as hell and completely useless coming from a scum who theoretically wanted to stay alive. Chronos has been known in games I’ve been in of making questionable assumptions (especially the program, and thank god that’s gone). Meeko’s vote and reasons for suspecting those of us who first voted for Chronos were not good. Whatever. At this point my bet is that the scum are laying VERY low, probably voting early-to-middle against fellow scum if necessary (since that’s the current “third vote tell”, being late on a known scum even if you have no reason (like me voting Red) to vote for anyone else and can’t check on the game every 10 minutes). _grins_ “Extra! Extra! Zeriel gets lynched in the late midgame for crappy reasons! Sky still blue!” ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/546 "2010-07-21T13:25:11Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Oh hey, I was playing mafia, that’s right. At least when I’m quiet I’m still reading. Gimmie a break. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/547 "2010-07-21T13:32:01Z")
In keeping with my theories on likely scum behavioral patterns, Shadow or Chipacabra are both early jumpers on other scum. Hardly’s lurking is also suspicious. Purely defensively, I’m going to vote **HardlySanguine**. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/548 "2010-07-21T13:40:16Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Hardly(2): Meeko, Zeriel Zeriel(4): Chipacabra, Jimmy, ShadowFacts, Guiri About 26 1/2 hours to the end of the Day.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/549 "2010-07-21T14:29:11Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > In keeping with my theories on likely scum behavioral patterns, Shadow or Chipacabra are both early jumpers on other scum. Just so I’m clear on what you are saying here, do you believe that \*\*Chipa \*\*and I are likely scum? Or one of us but not the other? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/550 "2010-07-21T15:48:31Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Just so I’m clear on what you are saying here, do you believe that \*\*Chipa \*\*and I are likely scum? Or one of us but not the other? I’m saying you have both done a behavior that I would consider a potential scum tell. I don’t find anyone currently alive, due to the relatively low volume of posts in general in this game, as a “likely” scum. My vote is where it is because lurking is a valid scum strategy in these low-post-count games, and not voting at all is the most damning kind of lurking there is. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/551 "2010-07-21T17:26:33Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I’m saying you have both done a behavior that I would consider a potential scum tell. I don’t find anyone currently alive, due to the relatively low volume of posts in general in this game, as a “likely” scum. OK, fair enough. Again, just to make sure I’m not mis-reading you: the potential scum tell you see in me and **Chipa** is being “early jumpers on other scum,” right? I’m interested in hearing more about your “theories on likely scum behavioral patterns” that you mention above, if you wouldn’t mind expounding a bit. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/552 "2010-07-21T18:34:33Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > OK, fair enough. Again, just to make sure I’m not mis-reading you: the potential scum tell you see in me and **Chipa** is being “early jumpers on other scum,” right? I’m interested in hearing more about your “theories on likely scum behavioral patterns” that you mention above, if you wouldn’t mind expounding a bit. Thanks. Essentially, I expect scum to be smart. This “scum joined the bandwagon late” thing has been a tell utilized (not without success) in some of the more recent previous games I’ve been in, and in my opinion it’s at the end of its useful life. I predict that smart scum will start voting somewhat earlier and more aggressively, especially on fellow scum. We as a group are very aware of bussing, and it seems foolish to presume that the scum will continue doing such when we’ve been looking for it. It’s seemed to me that these things have a useful half-life of about two games (compare to “third vote is scum” and such) and yet live on in our minds as valid even when they aren’t–I’ve BEEN scum, I have specifically voted in ways to look clean as a whistle when compared to the prevailing winds of “how scum vote”. And I’ve been caught by the kind of slips that I vote for others for. I see the useful case against me as “participated not as much”, “voted relatively late on scum”, and “voted relatively early on town”. I’ll cop to the first one (even if I’m not the worst offender), I have explained above why I don’t think the second one is terribly relevant, and as for the third, I got more aggressive when Malazan ended and when I got back from my summer vacation. I am typically an aggressive voter for what I perceive as slips and inconsistent behavior, because they have been the single highest-percentage way I can personally hunt scum. Since I’m addressing you, I’ll address the remaining parts of your WoW as well. I stand by my assessment of \*\*Red’s \*\*play as phenomenally, unpredictably incomprehensible (especially since, as he was making it up, he could have portrayed himself as the kind of SK we’d be able to keep as a pet and had a non-zero chance of pulling it off). I stand by my assessment of \*\*storyteller’s \*\*unilateral claim as equally incomprehensibly wrong, and I sincerely hope it doesn’t come back to bite us in the ass when LyLo comes around. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/553 "2010-07-21T18:35:34Z")
If I were a scum in this game, I’d be 2nd or 4th on a majority of votes for fellow scum. I can’t see any reason NOT to play that way as a scum. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/554 "2010-07-21T19:00:06Z")
I think you raise some interesting points that are worthy of discussion, but I have to run to a meeting, so I just want to respond to this right now: > [@Zeriel](#): > > If I were a scum in this game, I’d be 2nd or 4th on a majority of votes for fellow scum. I can’t see any reason NOT to play that way as a scum. I can think of two really, really good reasons from this game: early votes on **Red Skeezix** ended up leading to **Omi’s** lynch on Day One and **Red’s** own lynch on Day Three. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/555 "2010-07-21T19:38:06Z")
For everyone’s information: **I killed Meeko.** I received a free bonus Day Kill as the result of George’s tragic death last Night, and I was required to use it. I had hoped that there would be a ton of conversation toDay, and that I could use the Day kill to wipe out a secondary target, in effect giving us collectively a free lynch. It… didn’t work out that way. We haven’t done much talking toDay, and we were headed for an inertia-based lynch of **Meeko,** so killing him seemed to be the least harmful way to use the power even if he did turn out to be Town (he hadn’t claimed yet, and I took a gamble that Meeko, if he had a power role, would be as eager to disclose it as he has been in the past). ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/556 "2010-07-21T19:45:53Z")
@ **Story** , **Meeko** had just 3 votes, there were 6 other players who may have had a different opinion. As the most confirmed player, why didn’t you open it up for discussion? That would have stopped the silence. I doubt there was any way to interfere with a mid-Day kill so I don’t understand the secrecy. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/557 "2010-07-21T19:46:53Z")
Did you consider saying something in lieu of just shooting? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/558 "2010-07-21T20:05:51Z")
That’s the second time this game that \*\*story \*\*has made a weird play that involved information. It will be interesting in the extreme to see who doesn’t vote at all today. Well, from the afterlife, I mean. ---
**Author:** ![HardlySanguine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HardlySanguine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HardlySanguine)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/559 "2010-07-21T21:14:11Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > - He voted for **Omi** 6th, about 2 hours before the deadline “I think Oni’s desultory comments speak towards a fundamentally bad-for-town attitude (that is, that town can’t win until the scum hands us something to win with).”, did **Omi** say this? I couldn’t find a quote. I couldn’t find a quote, either. I think **Zeriel** is ‘just’ mixing up his anti-town plays. Earlier in Day 1, people ( **Jimmy** , **Drain** **Bead** , **Meeko** ) were talking about scum slips (which is what I’m assuming \*\*Zeriel \*\*is talking about here. At this point in the game, **Omi** is accused of anti-town behavior for another reason: Voting for who is playing the most anti-town versus, voting for who she finds most scummy. > [@Zeriel](#): > > In keeping with my theories on likely scum behavioral patterns, Shadow or Chipacabra are both early jumpers on other scum. > [@Zeriel](#): > > Hardly’s lurking is also suspicious. > > Purely defensively, I’m going to vote **HardlySanguine**. \*Correct me if I’m wrong: You want to vote for someone who is more-or-less lurking (or who has been) and since there is already a vote on me, voting for me gives you more wiggle-room than voting for anyone else who has been lurking. Pegging **Zeriel** for voting with the bandwagon, when so many other people are also doing that, seems strained. Assuming that **Story** is town, I have trouble with a scum **Zeriel** making a post arguing with \*\*Story \*\*on play style and urging **LPN** to come forward (\*429). **Shadow** already noted this. All in all, \*\*Zeriel \*\*comes across as fairly neutral, to me. \*[SIZE=2]These two quotes are one post, ever time I try to combine them, though, they split apart on preview. * * * I’ve gone over most of the thread again and unfortunately nothing stands out to me. Everyone seems either neutral or slightly town. I’m going to give it a break for a few hours and then do another re-read, looking at those who I found slightly suspicious in earlier Days. [/SIZE] ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/560 "2010-07-21T22:48:23Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @ **Story** , **Meeko** had just 3 votes, there were 6 other players who may have had a different opinion. As the most confirmed player, why didn’t you open it up for discussion? That would have stopped the silence. I doubt there was any way to interfere with a mid-Day kill so I don’t understand the secrecy. Honestly? Partly, it’s that I didn’t trust that anything useful would be done with the information. We (and I include myself in this) haven’t exactly been covering ourselves with glory discussion-wise in the last Day or so. Again, this isn’t exactly how I envisioned this happening. The way I envisioned it was, I would be able to kill the second-leading vote getter while letting the first vote getter die by lynch, thus doubling our information total even if both deaths were Town. The reason I didn’t mention it was that if the Scum knew I was going to be doing that, they might have played differently in terms of how they voted. But then it came to mid-Day, and **Meeko** had a few diffident votes and there really wasn’t a second candidate at all. I didn’t think one was likely to emerge, not as long as **Meeko** sat drawing in easy votes. I actually considered claiming first, but: (1) I was worried about something interfering with the kill; (2) I was worried about something happening IRL that pulled me away from the computer - I think if I didn’t submit a kill, I’d have been modkilled; (3) I thought there was a very high likelihood that if I claimed, we’d have frittered away the better part of two real-life days discussing the implications, while Meeko remained our collective primary target, leaving me to shoot in the dark. As it stands now, the Town as a _whole_ must choose a second target, having already chosen a first (Meeko), doubling our information haul from this day’s voting. There’s also: (4) I sent a PM to Mahaloth saying, basically, “I’m going to kill Meeko. When will it happen?” - this to try to time things precisely. He replied, “right now,” and boom, Meeki was dead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429.md?page=29)