# Harry Potter Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 25, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429 "2010-06-25T01:13:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/621 "2010-07-27T07:28:47Z")
We have exactly one confirmed town. I think we should lynch whoever story wants to lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/622 "2010-07-27T13:26:53Z")
\*\*Vote Count: InnerStickler(1): OneandOnly Guiri(1): Jimmy OneAndOnly(1): Chipacabra\*\* ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/623 "2010-07-27T14:03:10Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > We have exactly one confirmed town. I think we should lynch whoever story wants to lynch. That’s a very bad idea, in my opinion. In some respects, my vote is the only one that _doesn’t_ matter. Because I’m confirmed, you can trust my motives, and analysis of my voting pattern is not going to be useful. But: 1. I have no more knowledge than anyone else. My vote is no better informed, wiser, or more likely to be correct than anyone’s; and 2. If everyone follows me, it completely fouls the vote record. It prevents us from analyzing _anyone’s_ vote, because _everyone_ will simply be voting for the same reason (to follow me). Admittedly, if we’re at LoL today, then it doesn’t matter, but if we mislynch toDay and the game continues (or if we lynch Scum and the game continues), toDay’s vote record will _matter_. Thus, I very strongly feel that everyone _else_ should get on the record with a vote before I vote at all. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/624 "2010-07-27T14:04:25Z")
Maybe I should use some more italics next time. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/625 "2010-07-27T17:55:07Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > We have exactly one confirmed town. I think we should lynch whoever story wants to lynch. Absolutely not. Storyteller should not be making cases. He should be judging the merits of the cases we make because we can trust him to be objective. It would have been nice for LPN to function in this capacity as well but wish in one hand spit in the other. It is always tempting though. I know the first few games I played, as soon as a player was confirmed, I would go along with everything they said. Because we all knew they were town. How could it go wrong? Because there’s no guarantee that story’s intuition will in fact lead him to scum. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/626 "2010-07-27T18:34:39Z")
Reminder: I am leaving in next couple hours for California. Red Skeezix, and perhaps Peeker, will be co-modding. Because I am elsewhere, the write-ups may be delayed. Day ends at Noon Eastern Thursday, but that doesn’t mean you can assume I or a co-mod will write up the Day End text then. Be patient. Times are still in effect, though. You can’t vote after Noon Eastern on Thursday even if a mod has not ended the Day with a write up. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/627 "2010-07-27T22:19:30Z")
[co mod hat on] **there is currently a vote** [/co mod hat off] this could be yuckles for a day or so. when nurse ratched gets back she is going to be so pissed. ok, i’ll play it straight from here on out. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/628 "2010-07-27T23:06:14Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > On reflection I realy didn’t like your vote yesterday, the timing and the lack of accountability by avoiding the lynch situation entirely. This is interesting. Who did you vote yesterDay? Oh yeah, **Hardly**. This was your case: > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > I am not at all decided about the best target for today. I certainly don’t want a runaway train on anyone yet, so I am going to even things up until I come to a decision OK, a placeholder vote to prevent a runaway train on **Zeriel**. And your final vote stayed there because: > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > I know it’s not a tie, but it keeps things close enough that we still have to _choose_ as town who goes, rather than it just running away from us. Town can choose, OK but your vote? > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > how many more scum do we think we are shooting for? Interesting question but still not a case. Next? > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Zeriel still has one more vote Useful info but still no case. What did you say next? > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > I would appreciate if you could go over the bit about me again. You have me quoted as saying something I never said. What was your intent here? Nope, that’s not related. Where’s your case? You left a potential tie with a potential double-lynch in the hands of a player you now think is scum. You gave no reason for your vote on **Hardly** but left it there till the end of the Day. Accountability? **Vote OneAndOnlyWanderers** - Vote on **Hardly** - Vote on **Inner** when we’re possibly at lylo based on a single Day 5 event which has been deemed by a confirmed Town as a null tell and by our surviving mason as having zero scum motivation - 4 3rd votes - it seems intentional - floating, a question here, a comment there, a response over there but nothing added to the hunt for scum - suggestion to blindly “follow the mason” - I’m not seeing **Jimmy** ’s “very strongly town vibe from the way he (B]OaOW\*\* went after **Omi** ” - he voted, added reasoning immediately afterwards (a strategy used several times, is he concerned how his vote will look to Town?), defended his vote and suggested we wait till **Omi** flips before scrutinizing voters - Even better than **Zeriel** ’s hypothesis, a great scum strategy for this game would be: get a vote in, make it the third one as often as feasible, stay visible but not really, and get out of town’s way. WoW on **OaOW** (spoilered):[#96](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12624164&postcount=96) Fluff re: World Cup [#122](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12626387&postcount=122) Comments re: **Rysto** ’s discussion, only the player can decide whether sharing info is good or bad [#174](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12634158&postcount=174) Asks **Chipa** which of the three votees **Red** flinched at [#177](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12634342&postcount=177) Is also confused by **Chipa** ’s comment on his being a muggle [#179](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12634475&postcount=179) Comments that a Hogwarts student was a soccer fan [#185](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12634652&postcount=185) Fluff re: **Peeker** voting [#214](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12638261&postcount=214) Votes **Omi** for voting suspected anti-town over suspected scum [#215](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12638262&postcount=215) Adds to vote reasoning, **Omi** also set up possible Town cred if **Red** flipped scum [#220](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12638640&postcount=220) In response to **ShadowFacts** , defends vote and is happy to be accountable for it [#221](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12638648&postcount=221) Disagrees with **ShadowFacts** ’ suggestion to scrutinize **Omi** voters today, best to see if flips Town and then scrutinize #239, #248, #250, #267 Fluff [#289](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12650012&postcount=289) Votes **Red** based on reasoning for voting **Omi** [#320](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12652716&postcount=320) After **Red** ’s claim, is happy with vote as **Red** is either SK or scum #327, #352 Fluff [#417](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12673854&postcount=417) Was absent, will contribute soon [#419](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12674342&postcount=419) Votes **Chronos** for PIS on godfather being only vanilla [#422](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12674403&postcount=422) Asks **Meeko** to explain “this” post [#466](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12682141&postcount=466) Confuses **Jimmy** with **Ninja** , comments not helping case [#467](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12682147&postcount=467) NETA, realizes error [#473](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12683850&postcount=473) Is not convinced of either hypothesis re: **Pedescribe** ’s vote [#505](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12697907&postcount=505) Answers a question I asked **Hardly** [#506](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12697910&postcount=506) Asks **Hardly** if a name claim is any use given the polyjuice potions [#520](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12704882&postcount=520) Votes **Meeko** for smudge and inconsistency [#521](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12704900&postcount=521) Expands reasoning #543 Fluff re: **Meeko** [#561](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12713368&postcount=561) Votes **Hardly** to “even things up” [#563](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12713812&postcount=563) To **ShadowFacts** , realizes the vote isn’t tied but doesn’t want a runaway vote [#566](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12714012&postcount=566) Asks how many scum are left [#570](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12714125&postcount=570) Corrects **Story** : vote isn’t tied [#571](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12714131&postcount=571) Asks **Story** about quote attributed to him [#590](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12722432&postcount=590) Questions **Inner** about last-minute vote (after **Inner** had explained) [#597](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12724617&postcount=597) Received snitch Night 3 [#612](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12727036&postcount=612) Claims Hermione [#613](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12727041&postcount=613) Votes **Inner** , didn’t like vote [#621](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12731071&postcount=621) Suggests we all vote whoever **Story** votesI believe **Story** is Town. The only way I can reconcile **Chipa** ’s Day 1 play with being scum is if he simply didn’t know **Red** was on his team. If scum cannot talk during the Day, given the fact that **Red** subbed in after Day 1 started, this is somewhat plausible but pretty gastardly. I don’t understand **Jimmy** ’s comment that every player I’ve questioned was Town given the fact that we do not know the alignment of the remaining players. **Inner** Day 1 non-vote still stands out. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/629 "2010-07-28T04:39:28Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > - I’m not seeing **Jimmy** ’s “very strongly town vibe from the way he **OaOW** went after **Omi** ” - he voted, added reasoning immediately afterwards (a strategy used several times, is he concerned how his vote will look to Town?), defended his vote and suggested we wait till **Omi** flips before scrutinizing voters. I guess it’s a difference of opinion. That post (#214) seems to me to be one of the most town-positive posts all game, and his reasoning was well enough articulated in the post in which he voted. Then he said he’d happily be accountable for his vote and had already given a reason, and said in response to **ShadowFacts** ’ in-hindsight unnecessary fears about the run on **Omi** that he’d prefer to go through with the lynch and then analyze how the run developed in the even that **Omi** was town. That’s good town play, and one would expect that scum would have wanted to encourage **ShadowFacts** ’ line of thinking, not press on in spite of it. > [@](#): > > I don’t understand **Jimmy** ’s comment that every player I’ve questioned was Town given the fact that we do not know the alignment of the remaining players. **Inner** Day 1 non-vote still stands out. It’s pretty simple to understand. The majority of your gameplay up to that point had been to very gently quiz a bunch of different players about assorted points, and at all times the questions turned out to be more or less non-starters. All of those players who have died were town players. If **Chip** or **Story** is scum - and you’ve said you don’t think they are - or **Inner Stickler** is - but you’ve voted for **Wanderers** - then that pattern will be broken. If they aren’t, it will hold. Even the _living_ players that you’ve previously asked for explanations are the ones you concede the probable towniness of. **Rysto** , **Shadow** , **Chronos** , **HardlySanguine** , and **Meeko** were the ones you questioned. I know now that they were all town. It’s not that you had the temerity to ask them questions, of course; it’s that it seems very likely to me that it’s going to end up being the case that once the scum went two down, you adopted an approach that consisted entirely of very non-aggressively swiping at almost every subsequently-dead town player. A bunch of questions doesn’t tell anything about the person asking them, unless those questions are all that player does, they’re all very mild, all the dead parties end up being town, and there’s no accompanying pursuit of any of the angles suggested by the initial questioning. When all those are present, it looks calculated. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/630 "2010-07-28T15:07:03Z")
\*\*Vote Count: InnerStickler(1): One And Only Wanderers Guiri(1): Jimmy Chitwood OneAndOnly(2): Chipacabra, GuiriEnEspaña\*\* ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/631 "2010-07-28T15:39:46Z")
In answer to Guiri. I didn’t think Zeriel was scum. I wasn’t sure one way or the other about Hardly, but a vote on Hardly was the only way I could see to attempt to give Zeriel a chance. I was then watching for vote shifts causing/breaking a tie to use as data points for today. Inner’s total avoidance of the same struck me as suspicious, hence today’s vote. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/632 "2010-07-28T15:40:55Z")
Especially when you consider that a scum player would have KNOWN both options were town so may have been leery about casting a decisive vote either way. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/633 "2010-07-28T18:05:01Z")
Hey, folks. I’m actually stuck in Las Vegas due to delays for a day. Shoot, what to do? 🙂 Anyway, I’m watching the game as much as possible. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/634 "2010-07-28T21:51:01Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > **Rysto** , **Shadow** , **Chronos** , **HardlySanguine** , and **Meeko** were the ones you questioned. I know now that they were all town. It’s not that you had the temerity to ask them questions, of course; it’s that it seems very likely to me that it’s going to end up being the case that once the scum went two down, you adopted an approach that consisted entirely of very non-aggressively swiping at almost every subsequently-dead town player. I questioned **Rysto** and **Chipa** non-agressively before **Omi** gained his first vote. I questioned **Omi** in my vote post. I interacted with **Story** non-agressively before and after **Red** ’s claim. Questions asked on later Days to **Meeko** and **Shadow** went unanswered. I questioned **Chronos** as part of my vote post and again afterwards about his statements on the masonry and saw no need to change my vote. I asked **Hardly** about his reference to quidditch and his defense of **OaOW**. From his reply I understood that he was attempting to breadcrumb something - I thought his character, I now realize it was a reference to the snitch. His comment about **OaOW** made sense once he’d referenced his previous comment about **Rysto**. I feel you’ve formed an impression of how scum should have played this game and are trying to make my play match this theory. While your theory may be sound, it doesn’t apply to me unless you think I foresaw the death of two scum and adapted my play accordingly from the start of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/635 "2010-07-29T05:14:31Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > In answer to Guiri. I didn’t think Zeriel was scum. I wasn’t sure one way or the other about Hardly, but a vote on Hardly was the only way I could see to attempt to give Zeriel a chance. I was then watching for vote shifts causing/breaking a tie to use as data points for today. Inner’s total avoidance of the same struck me as suspicious, hence today’s vote. I rather suspect there was no way I could have voted that would have made you happy. Oh well. **Vote One And Only Wanderers** I dislike that he advocated following the mason and hasn’t defended or retracted his position. It’s a bad strategy move in general and I especially don’t like seeing it brought forth at this critical gametime. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/636 "2010-07-29T06:34:45Z")
happy with my Inner vote ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/637 "2010-07-29T11:17:10Z")
Day ends in five hours. Anyone else have anything meaningful to say? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/638 "2010-07-29T12:29:45Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Hey, folks. > > I’m actually stuck in Las Vegas due to delays for a day. Shoot, what to do? 🙂 > > Anyway, I’m watching the game as much as possible. > > 🙂 /ghostly Well, if this thread is any clue, I would suggest _ **NOT** _ playing any Harry Potter themed slots. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/639 "2010-07-29T14:01:22Z")
\*\*Vote Count: InnerStickler(1): One And Only Wanderers Guiri(1): Jimmy Chitwood OneAndOnly(3): Chipacabra, GuiriEnEspaña, Inner Stickler\*\* ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/640 "2010-07-29T14:02:15Z")
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