# Harry Potter (Order of the Phoenix) Question **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 1, 2003, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-order-of-the-phoenix-question/192365 "2003-08-01T14:30:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-order-of-the-phoenix-question/192365/1 "2003-08-01T14:30:56Z")
Now that I got everyone’s attention… I just finished the latest HP book Order of the Phoenix and it was so-so, but I am not here to review the book. My question has to do with the overall feel of the book during the increasing oppression of Hogwarts. As I read through the book, I was nagged by the feeling that I had read this all before. I am not implying plagiarism, but the feel of it was very familiar. After finishing the book, I now know what it reminds me of… the oppression of Hobbiton at the end of the Lord of the Rings… Now for my question, am I the only one who felt it that way? ---
**Author:** ![booklover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@booklover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/booklover)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-order-of-the-phoenix-question/192365/2 "2003-08-01T14:42:26Z")
Do you mean at the end of the LOTR sequence, or at the end of one of the books in the sequence? In all honesty, HP-5 reminded more of the depressing state of education legislation inthe US, but that’s another thread… ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-order-of-the-phoenix-question/192365/3 "2003-08-01T15:40:49Z")
Well, I am thinking of when Frodo and gang return to Hobbiton, and they encounter a “new world” of orc-talk and rules, complete with the Inquisitorial Squad that reminded me of the Hobbiton sheriffs. It was an impression I had, and possibly false. I think it was exacerbated by the fact that I wanted the book to end about 200 pages before it did. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-order-of-the-phoenix-question/192365/4 "2003-08-01T17:05:27Z")
OotP didn’t really have much in common with the “Scouring of the Shire” portion of _Return of the King_, beyond the general theme of oppression. Tolkien presented a fairly straightforward tyranny maintained by force of arms. Rowling’s theme was oppression through bureaucracy. There are some commonalities, of course–e.g. general cruelty, abusive rules, and the smug attitudes of those in power–but I think you’ll find those in any description of an oppressive regime. ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-order-of-the-phoenix-question/192365/5 "2003-08-01T18:09:12Z")
**Balance** I agree that the specifics and many generalities between the stories don’t mesh, it was just a sensation I had as I was reading OotP. I think you are right about finding commonalities of oppressive regimes in most if not all descriptions. I was just curious if I was alone in my perception. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-order-of-the-phoenix-question/192365/6 "2003-08-01T18:40:29Z")
FWIW, I didn’t feel the Hobbiton connection although I can see it, but I did get a vibe like the setting for M_A_S_H_. Fred + George = Hawkeye. Yep, me shallow.