# Harvey Weinstein accused of multiple cases of sexual harassment **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 5, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073 "2017-10-05T23:31:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/261 "2017-10-14T21:15:59Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I’m sorry but this is fucking pathetic. > > You don’t ‘out yourself as a victim’ _you go to the police and report a crime._ Even the terminology of ‘out yourself as a victim’ is utter lunacy. > > WTF is going on in the USA? Maybe some women, quite reasonably, feel that reporting crimes like this from powerful men will make their lives considerably worse? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/262 "2017-10-14T21:15:59Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I’m sorry but this is fucking pathetic. > > You don’t ‘out yourself as a victim’ _you go to the police and report a crime._ Even the terminology of ‘out yourself as a victim’ is utter lunacy. …this is not fucking pathetic. Ambra Battilana Gutierrez went to the police. In 2016. They conducted a sting operation. And they caught him on tape. And the DA killed the investigation. _The crime was reported and nothing happened._ NBC killed this story, as did others. The Weinstein Company and Miramax kept this quiet for decades using threats, lawsuits and payouts to shut people down. This is a huge fucking story. Weinstein is most certainly guilty of sexual harassment, is probably guilty of sexual assault, and may well be guilty of rape. It is impressive that you have been able to direct your ire in this thread at the victim of this despicable person and not the despicable person himself. Well done you. > [@](#): > > WTF is going on in the USA? Sexual assault victims being scared to go to the authorities is most certainly \*\*not \*\*a uniquely USA problem. It happens in the United Kingdom. It happens in Australia. It happens all over the world. Clean up your own backyard before you complain about somebody elses. ---
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/263 "2017-10-14T21:53:40Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I’m sorry but this is fucking pathetic. > > You don’t ‘out yourself as a victim’ _you go to the police and report a crime._ Even the terminology of ‘out yourself as a victim’ is utter lunacy. > > WTF is going on in the USA? I am not in the USA. Also, I think it’s awesome you have never had to deal with this reality, don’t speak about it casually like you have any clue, because clearly you do not. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/264 "2017-10-14T23:47:12Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Ambra Battilana Gutierrez went to the police. In 2016. They conducted a sting operation. And they caught him on tape. And the DA killed the investigation. _The crime was reported and nothing happened._ NBC killed this story, as did others. The Weinstein Company and Miramax kept this quiet for decades using threats, lawsuits and payouts to shut people down. > > This is a huge fucking story. Weinstein is most certainly guilty of sexual harassment, is probably guilty of sexual assault, and may well be guilty of rape. If what you brought up about the NYC investigation being quashed by the DA, Cyrus Vance, Jr., is true, we’ve gone beyond Weinstein’s alleged acts of sexual assault/rape and into bribery and obstruction of justice. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/265 "2017-10-15T00:07:20Z")
Just ducking in to post this. > **[Academy Expels Harvey Weinstein](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/academy-expels-harvey-weinstein-1048914/)** > > The Oscar winner, accused of sexual harrassment and assault, "does not merit the respect of his colleagues," the Academy said in immediately revoking his membership. > [@](#): > > The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has expelled disgraced mogul Harvey Weinstein from its ranks. Geez, whatever will the Awards Season pundits do without Harvey to use as a go-to “It’s all HIS fault!” punching bag? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/266 "2017-10-15T01:04:15Z")
Now that the AMPAS has thrown Harvey out, can we FINALLY take Clarence Thomas off the Supreme Court? ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/267 "2017-10-15T01:59:31Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > If what you brought up about the NYC investigation being quashed by the DA, Cyrus Vance, Jr., is true, we’ve gone beyond Weinstein’s alleged acts of sexual assault/rape and into bribery and obstruction of justice. Prosecutors have broad prosecutorial discretion. Unless you can make a direct link between Weinstein pressuring Vance and him dropping the case, then what he did might be unsavory but it’s legally above board. It’s worthwhile noting though that this is the same Cyrus Vance Jr who dropped the case against Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump around Trump SoHo after receiving a campaign donation from Trump’s family lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/268 "2017-10-15T03:02:40Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > WTF is going on in the USA? …says the guy from the country that gave us Jimmy Saville. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/269 "2017-10-15T09:38:37Z")
I’m hoping you know the difference between children and responsible adults. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/270 "2017-10-15T10:02:57Z")
> [@Poysyn](#): > > I am not in the USA. > > Also, I think it’s awesome you have never had to deal with this reality, don’t speak about it casually like you have any clue, because clearly you do not. Which isn’t to say you’re not American. As an observation, I’ve never met a Canadian who would say ‘out yourself as a victim’ with a straight face. Look, by taking his money, she chose to be complicit in her abuse, and the subsequent abuse of numerous women. Contrast that with the Italian woman who went to the police and wore a wire \<\<\< that is a normal, socially-responsible, self-respecting respone. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/271 "2017-10-15T10:30:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Look, by taking his money, she chose to be complicit in her abuse, and the subsequent abuse of numerous women. Contrast that with the Italian woman who went to the police and wore a wire. …the “Italian woman” has a name you know. This is what happened to Ambra Battilana Gutierrez after she went to the police. > [@Daily Telegraph](#): > > She said she was crucified by the US tabloid press as a publicity seeker after she accused Weinstein of groping her breasts and putting his hand up her skirt during a meeting at his office in 2015. > > … > > She said that after making a complaint to the NYPD, she was portrayed as a blackmailer in the press – and paid the consequences. > > “For months I didn’t work. Even restaurants in Soho (in New York) where the fashion world hang out closed their doors to me. I was unwelcome. It is right that women are denouncing him, even after all this time. I’m nauseated by how many there are. What happened to me really put my view of the world to the test. > **[Italian beauty queen says her life was made a misery after claiming...](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/13/italian-beauty-queen-says-life-made-misery-claiming-harassment/)** > > Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, the 24-year-old Italian model who was sexually harassed by Harvey Weinstein, says her life was made a misery after the encounter. She did everything you demand. She went to the police. She reported. She was not believed. The police did jack shit. She was shamed by the press, she was called a publicity seeker, a blackmailer. She lost work. And Harvey just kept on going. This is the fate of the whistleblower. Those that spoke out had their lives destroyed even more than the ones who kept quiet. > [@](#): > > I’m hoping you know the difference between children and responsible adults. > [@Telegraph](#): > > But most of those who had been raped or sexually assaulted (83 per cent) failed to report it to police, and 29 per cent did not even tell friends or family what had happened. > > Overall about half said they would be too embarrassed or ashamed of the incident to admit it but two-thirds said they would hesitate because of low conviction rates. > **[80% of women don’t report rape or sexual assault, survey claims](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9134799/Sexual-assault-survey-80-of-women-dont-report-rape-or-sexual-assault-survey-claims.html)** > > The vast majority of women who are raped or sexually assaulted do not report the crime to police, a Mumsnet survey suggests, in many cases because they have little confidence that their attacker would be brought to justice. It happens in your backyard, whether or not you accept that or not. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/272 "2017-10-15T11:56:46Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Which isn’t to say you’re not American. As an observation, I’ve never met a Canadian who would say ‘out yourself as a victim’ with a straight face. > Look, by taking his money, she chose to be complicit in her abuse, and the subsequent abuse of numerous women. Contrast that with the Italian woman who went to the police and wore a wire \<\<\< that is a normal, socially-responsible, self-respecting respone. Thank you for continuing to demonstrate a crucial aspect of rape culture - if victims don’t act in a specific certain way, they’re not really victims. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/273 "2017-10-15T12:57:20Z")
Sometimes people take the carrot because they’re afraid of the stick. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/274 "2017-10-15T13:38:06Z")
The problem is rampant consequence free raping and assaulting for many years, not that some victims don’t go to the police. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/275 "2017-10-15T13:44:07Z")
Good article in the New Yorker. Not that I expect the victim-blamers to read it > **[How Men Like Harvey Weinstein Implicate Their Victims in Their Acts](https://www.newyorker.com/culture/jia-tolentino/how-men-like-harvey-weinstein-implicate-their-victims-in-their-acts)** > > When you are treated like an object, you are placed within an old and sickening script, one that is incredibly difficult to escape. And the truth is, in a large city like New York or LA, the police aren’t going to expend much time and effort on a single incident of misdemeanor harassment or forcible touching - especially if there are no witnesses, no injuries and it’s a “he said she said” situation. You’re dealing with police precincts that handle dozens of serious and even life-threatening assaults every day. And police officers that are jaded and sometimes assholes. It’s just not going to be a priority. I remember an incident that made the news where some guy exposed himself to a woman on the subway. And she managed to photograph it. And she went to the police, just like all the public service announcements tell you to do. And she was literally laughed at for coming to a police station to show “dick pics” to the cops. They told her to go away and stop bothering them, it wasn’t a police matter. Then she called the local news station, only after that was she taken seriously. And even if by some miracle you get it prosecuted, the penalty will probably be some kind of insignificant fine and maybe a little community service. And you will be accused of making it up, of extortion, of being vindictive. And you’ll risk destroying your career and the investment you made in your career. And your sexual and personal history will be put on display and ridiculed. Going to the police is not the way to get any sort of justice. And these women did not keep quiet at the time . Now YOU and I only heard about this last week but they told their agents, their producers, their friends and fellow actors. They told Miramax. They told lots of people. And the truth is that a single incident of casting couch malfeasance isn’t going to provoke a lot of outrage or get a lot of attention, except among the close friends and family of the victim. The outrage is in the pervasiveness and the pattern which the individual victims may not even be aware of. Until it reaches the sort of critical mass that it did and explodes. ---
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/276 "2017-10-15T14:03:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Thank you for continuing to demonstrate a crucial aspect of rape culture - if victims don’t act in a specific certain way, they’re not really victims. Absolutely agree. I am not going to apologize for not acting the way you expect victims to act. You don’t get to dictate how I (or anyone else) decide how to manage my trauma in order to survive. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/277 "2017-10-15T14:13:05Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > WTF is going on in the USA? People blame rape victims because they don’t respond in the approved manner. It’s fucking horrible and we should all be ashamed that people like that still exist. Thank you for calling attention to this terrible issue, hopefully we can keep working at it so some day hateful rape apologists like that cease to exist and we can be a much better country. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/278 "2017-10-15T14:33:02Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Which isn’t to say you’re not American. As an observation, I’ve never met a Canadian who would say ‘out yourself as a victim’ with a straight face. > Look, by taking his money, she chose to be complicit in her abuse, and the subsequent abuse of numerous women. Contrast that with the Italian woman who went to the police and wore a wire \<\<\< that is a normal, socially-responsible, self-respecting respone. Am I missing something here? Your statement “by taking his money” was the a result of a lawsuit and not capitulation. weinstein was legally held to account for his actions. This was about abuse of power and not sexual assault. The sexual aspect of it was secondary. weinstein could have saved himself a fortune in lawsuits by buying prostitutes. If you set aside those who were sexually assaulted by him there are certainly many more people who had their careers ruined because they didn’t worship at his alter. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/279 "2017-10-15T15:21:30Z")
[Courtney Love warning women about Harvey back in 2005.](https://i.imgur.com/ZuDNVSQ.gifv) ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073/280 "2017-10-15T22:55:59Z")
Not sure if this has been linked to already, but here’s a good contribution by actress and director [Sarah Polley](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/14/opinion/sunday/harvey-weinstein-sarah-polley.html). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harvey-weinstein-accused-of-multiple-cases-of-sexual-harassment/798073.md?page=15)