# Has a boxer ever knocked out the referee?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139
**Category:** The Game Room
**Tags:** boxing-wrestling-mma
**Created:** [October 12, 2022, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139 "2022-10-12T19:58:43Z")
**Posts on this page:** 15
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### Author:  [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/1 "2022-10-12T19:58:43Z")
A common feature of pro wrestling scripted matches is the referee getting knocked out ‘by mistake’ or on purpose.
But, in boxing has a fighter ever punched the referee? Either by accident when the ref is trying to break up two fighters or else the boxer loses it during the heat of the fight and throws a deliberate punch to hit the referee.
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### Author:  [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/2 "2022-10-12T20:00:20Z")
There’s this classic example:
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NFH00U1Ud4)
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### Author:  [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/3 "2022-10-12T20:00:32Z")
Wasn’t a clip of this happening in the opening credits of “Malcom in the Middle?”
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### Author:  [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/4 "2022-10-12T20:03:20Z")
Indeed!
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/5 "2022-10-12T20:33:08Z")
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPqvqPIGFts)
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/6 "2022-10-12T21:00:44Z")
It has happened. I recall seeing cases where a ref was hit, don’t recall one where the ref was knocked out but it could have happened. Usually when a ref is hit the boxer is already pulling his punch or a wild swinging connect unlikely to knock someone down or out, but not at all impossible. Occasionally boxers get knocked down or out by that kind of ‘lucky’ punch.
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### Author:  [@sitchensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sitchensis)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/7 "2022-10-12T21:39:00Z")
[High School Wrestler](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS1_HyUSk8o) YouTube
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### Author:  [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/8 "2022-10-12T21:48:22Z")
Peter Müller, called “de Aap”, “the monkey” in Cologne dialect, a quite famous German pro boxer, famously knocked out the ref in a fight in 1952 and then went totally wild and attacked everyone. It’s a legendary story here. It’s a pity that this footage doesn’t show the crucial moment, but it captures his rage, and I can contest to have seen the actual punch.
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDeMTBJV5Jo)
ETA: I have seen Peter Müller knocking out the ref with a clear punch numerous times on TV, because it’s a legendary story, but it seems like any online footage omits the punch, probably because of legal reasons. This is the best I could find.
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### Author:  [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/9 "2022-10-12T22:40:42Z")
[ ](https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D7B8G7/boxer-peter-mller-l-from-cologne-called-de-aap-=the-ape-looks-down-D7B8G7.jpg)
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### Author:  [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/10 "2022-10-12T22:50:09Z")
Thanks, @DPRK , I think this great photo is proof enough.
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### Author:  [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/11 "2022-10-12T22:57:17Z")
If you scroll through this photographers gallery of pictures, you can see the crucial moment… Not sure how to link to it.
> **[Rolf Gillhausen](https://www.bsb-muenchen.de/en/collections/stern-photo-archive/stern-photographers/rolf-gillhausen/)**
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> Die Bayerische Staatsbibliothek (BSB) in München ist die zentrale Landesbibliothek des Freistaates Bayern und eine der bedeutendsten Forschungsbibliotheken in Europa.
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### Author:  [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2022, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/12 "2022-10-12T23:02:55Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#):
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> If you scroll through this photographers gallery of pictures, you can see the crucial moment… Not sure how to link to it.
Ah, thanks, figured it out for linking:
[ ](https://www.bsb-muenchen.de/fileadmin/_processed_/5/7/csm_stern_gil_000003_boxer_peter_mueller_ringrichter_ko_1952_39714eaab5.jpg)
ETA: Seems like “de Aap” was a southpaw.
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2022, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/13 "2022-10-13T05:49:15Z")
Zab Judah loses it after ref stops fight. Just for touching the ref Judah had his license suspended for a year.
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/3RyBOCzV7po/maxresdefault.jpg "ZAB JUDAH LOSES CONTROL AND "ATTACKS" THE REF!!! #SHORTS") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RyBOCzV7po)
Collection of refs getting knocked around. Mostly accidental. Watch at 6:35 for some clearly intentional referee abuse.
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJ_AVOKxRI)
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### Author:  [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/14 "2022-10-13T17:40:04Z")
That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever seen! Whitaker’s all going “What the Fuck, Man?”
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-a-boxer-ever-knocked-out-the-referee/973139/15 "2022-10-17T20:17:45Z")
I used to watch a lot of boxing, especially with my Dad, who loved boxing. We saw a number of referees get hit, including the Willie de Wit fight noted above by @Horatius . De Wit is a judge now - not a boxing judge, like a judge in the courts.
I saw a ref get knocked down at a live event once; he wasn’t really hurt, fortunately.