# Has Anybody Synthesized Saffron (Spice)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 23, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147 "2010-02-23T18:11:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/1 "2010-02-23T18:11:01Z")
Saffron is the world’s most expensive spice. Gathering it is very labor intensive, so i always wondered why food chemists haven’t been able to synthesize it. Synthetic vanilla (vanillin) is quite common-so, can a acceptable version of saffron be made? ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/2 "2010-02-23T21:14:56Z")
Saffron is a far more complex blend of actives ingredients, it would be analogous to synthesising cocoa. Vanilla is predominantly a single chemical, though you can’t mistake a dish made with vanilla beans for one made with vanilla extract. As to a cheaper version, you can use “poor mans saffron” i.e. tumeric ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/3 "2010-02-24T11:11:05Z")
pt, you’re spot on about the complexity of saffron’s flavour vs. vanilla, but this: > [@penultima\_thule](#): > > As to a cheaper version, you can use “poor mans saffron” i.e. tumeric Turmeric (note spelling) gives a simulacrum of saffron’s colour, but has a \*completely \*different flavour to saffron. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/4 "2010-02-24T13:45:25Z")
Concur completely, MrDibble. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/5 "2010-02-24T15:35:47Z")
As a side note, you can buy a cheap substance online that is billed as ‘saffron’, but it’s really a whole bunch of turmeric mixed with a bit of saffron. Short version: never buy powdered saffron. If it’s less than about $60/oz, it’s not good stuff. Good news: an ounce can last you for years, if properly stored. ---
**Author:** ![LunarPlexus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LunarPlexus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LunarPlexus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/6 "2010-02-24T15:58:35Z")
My daughter’s name is Saffron. Does that count? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/7 "2010-02-24T16:20:22Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > As a side note, you can buy a cheap substance online that is billed as ‘saffron’, but it’s really a whole bunch of turmeric mixed with a bit of saffron. Short version: never buy powdered saffron. If it’s less than about $60/oz, it’s not good stuff. Good news: an ounce can last you for years, if properly stored. It could also be (or usually is, around here), [safflower](http://www.custompaper.com/Images/flowers/safflower.jpg). [Wikipedia link.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safflower) It also goes by the name “Mexican saffron” or “American saffron.” ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/8 "2010-02-24T17:49:55Z")
> [@LunarPlexus](#): > > My daughter’s name is Saffron. Does that count? But can a pinching her flavor an entire pan full of paella? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/9 "2010-02-24T18:58:55Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > As a side note, you can buy a cheap substance online that is billed as ‘saffron’, but it’s really a whole bunch of turmeric mixed with a bit of saffron. Short version: never buy powdered saffron. If it’s less than about $60/oz, it’s not good stuff. Good news: an ounce can last you for years, if properly stored. I’ve bought some very cheap saffron (both powder and threads) from Cost Plus World Market that if it was cut with tumeric, it fooled me. The flavor was only saffron, and that’s all that was listed on the label. A friend brought me back from Bali a sandwich-sized ziplock bag’s worth of saffron threads. Twelve months later it had broken itself down into about 1 teaspoonful of powder. ---
**Author:** ![Khaki\_Campbell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Khaki\_Campbell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khaki_Campbell)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/10 "2010-02-24T19:33:49Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > But can a pinching her flavor an entire pan full of paella? For the… risotto, it’s already there 😃 ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/11 "2010-02-24T19:37:52Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > I’ve bought some very cheap saffron (both powder and threads) from Cost Plus World Market that if it was cut with tumeric. How much saffron for what cost? The low-end average _wholesale_ price of true saffron is $30/ounce. Retail is going to be at least $60/oz, more usually $100/oz. edit: The stuff from Bali you got was probably safflower. Read [here](http://www.lthforum.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=20890). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/12 "2010-02-24T21:03:26Z")
Spices (all of them, not just saffron) are either incredibly expensive or incredibly cheap, depending on how you look at them. A single serving adds a lot more flavor for a lot less cost than any of the “major” ingredients in a recipe. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/13 "2010-02-24T21:18:02Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > A friend brought me back from Bali a sandwich-sized ziplock bag’s worth of saffron threads. Twelve months later it had broken itself down into about 1 teaspoonful of powder. Interesting. I’ve had a one ounce bag of pure Spanish saffron that I’ve been dipping into for several years and it’s still stems and still potent. I keep in in a ziploc, sealed in the can it came in and away from any heat source. A quick search shows that the price has increased dramatically, so it’s probably been longer than I thought. I paid about $50 for it, and I see that an ounce is now well over $100. Suggested source for anyone interested in genuine products from Spain is La Tienda, but they’re pretty pricey IMO. Amazon has tins for about $130. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/14 "2010-02-24T21:19:06Z")
> [@Khaki\_Campbell](#): > > For the… risotto, it’s already there 😃 Listen to a lot of Donovan, did you? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/15 "2010-02-24T21:21:52Z")
I once read that saffron was hugely popular in medieval times…it was even used to flavor desserts and candies. Today, I only use it to make paella, and sometimes to flavor a seafood stew (zarzuela de morisco). I have found that the local Indian groceries carry saffron at reasonable prices (threads)-I never buy ground saffron. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/16 "2010-02-25T00:01:51Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > How much saffron for what cost? The low-end average _wholesale_ price of true saffron is $30/ounce. Retail is going to be at least $60/oz, more usually $100/oz. > > edit: The stuff from Bali you got was probably safflower. Read [here](http://www.lthforum.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=20890). It very well could have been. It had a light saffron flavor, but not all that strong. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/17 "2010-02-25T00:25:27Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > It very well could have been. It had a light saffron flavor, but not all that strong. Safflower doesn’t really taste like much, whereas with saffron, just a couple threads can scent and color a whole dish. Among the names I’ve listed, if you see Goya or Latin American products labeled azafran, they’re most likely safflower. Also, it’s used a bit in the Philipines, so if you visit Asian stores and see something called kasubha, it’s safflower, not saffron. The main difference in their appearance is saffron looks like threads (since it’s the stigma of the plant), while safflower has a more a leafy appearance (as it is made from the petals of a plant). Given the fact that it went to powder after a year, I’m pretty certain it’s safflower–saffron should last at least three years or so if stored properly. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/18 "2010-02-25T01:34:17Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I once read that saffron was hugely popular in medieval times..it was even used to flavor desserts and candies. Today, I only use it to make paella, and sometimes to flavor a seafood stew (zarzuela de morisco). > I have found that the local Indian groceries carry saffron at reasonable prices (threads)-I never buy ground saffron. I seem to remember that the [Polo](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_polo) family fortune was founded on saffron, though much diversified over time. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/19 "2010-02-26T14:23:36Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I once read that saffron was hugely popular in medieval times..it was even used to flavor desserts and candies. They were mad for it. I think I go through about a half-ounce of saffron a year in the SCA, and that doesn’t include our biggest feast that I buy saffron just for. Still, there’s nothing like chicken endor’d (glazed with egg yolk and saffron - yes, the Star Wars geeks all laugh), or lovely saffron cake for 12th Night. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147/20 "2010-02-26T15:31:23Z")
Are there grades of saffron threads? I have some that I bought in Pittsburgh’s strip district. I’ve used them a few times and they did color the food, but didn’t add any flavor that I could discern. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anybody-synthesized-saffron-spice/530147.md?page=2)