Has anyone bought the Surface Pro 3?

Mike Krahulik (AKA Gabe) from Penny Arcade wrote somepostsabout using the SP3 for drawing webcomics. TL;DR: Impressive hardware, but software and drivers seem to have some small but frustrating flaws. In particular the N-trig pen sensitivity is fine but some software doesn’t use it well, and has input lag or doesn’t effectively use the pressure inputs. As of the latest post I can find, Photoshop still has input lag but recent updates of Manga Studio have fixed the lag.

I’m not an artist at all, but I do scribble some cartoon diagrams from time to time. Even with all of the caveats, the SP3 still sounds like a huge improvement from what I use now. Which is mostly powerpoint vector graphics. I’m learning inkscape, leave me alone!

If they’d done that, some people would be complaining that $930 base price is too much, and they don’t need the keyboard since they already have perfectly good portable Bluetooth keyboards.

Surface RTs have been renamed to Surface.

I thought SSDs had a special ZIF connector? Hmm don’t really like a computer where I can’t swap HDDs without blinking an eye.

And why is it only in black? Why can’t I find the bundle in lime green?

Sorry, I think I was confused - it’s the RAM that is soldered to the system board, not the SSD. The Surface Pro 3 uses a standard mSATA SSD module.

I got a Surface Pro 1 for exactly this purpose and it has revolutionized my labwork in several ways. I’m much more organized; since I no longer have to worry about spatial and chronological constraints of a lab book, I’m free to record all of my day-to-day activities in one section of OneNote while maintaining a coherent dialogue/progress/summary of my project in another section dedicated to this purpose. I’m also much better about getting all of my data (even that one last graph that nobody will ever care about) recorded now that I don’t have to waste time finding the scissors, printing it out, taking my gloves off, finding the glue/tape/etc. Additionally, I take full advantage of the ability to mix typing and writing - I type faster than I write and it’s obviously much more clear. This leads to me taking more complete notes because I don’t do it in a rush before setting up the next experiment. I have unquestionably become a more productive grad student since switching to a OneNote notebook and if you can convince your adviser to fund it, I’d highly recommend it. I don’t think I could ever go back to paper.

Danja, mind if I ask you some more detailed questions by PM? Some concrete examples would definitely help me convince my advisor, but I don’t need to hijack this thread any further…

So I’ve had this thing a few days now. I like it. The hardware seems high quality and is very responsive. The pen is pretty solid though I don’t like where the buttons are placed near the tip. Too easy to hit. Still getting used to splitting time between the classic and metro interfaces. If I have a choice between a classic or metro app I’ll go metro every time. Metro apps work best for the tablet features. Battery seems ok. Haven’t really done anything intense yet.

Well, I’ve been using the SP3 for just over a month now and thought I’d come back and give my thoughts as reference for anyone else that might be looking to buy one.

First the pros. It’s very light and portable, even with the type cover. No more excuses to leave the machine at work or at the hotel. It’s definitely heavier than an iPad when using it as a tablet, but because of the form factor and screen dimension, it’s easy to balance and never burdensome.

I’m using the i5/256/8GB configuration, but this thing is fast and smooth. Booting to start takes about 10-15 seconds and opening programs is almost instantaneous. I haven’t tried any games, but image and video editing using Photoshop and Premier Elements is smooth and stress-free. I can’t imagine how much more the i7 would improve things.

The included digital pen is fun and easy to use. I never used to use OneNote but now it’s my note-taking app of choice. I won’t say it’s going to replace the pen and paper but I haven’t used my pen/notepad ever since getting the SP3. It records audio and video as well so it’s great for going over minutes or referring to a presentation when writing reports. I’ve deleted Evernote thanks to these features. The greatest thing is how you can send Office documents to OneNote and do handwritten annotation with the pen! Highlighting and diagrams are all possible. You can do it with PDFs too with the right app.

But it’s not all peaches and cream. SP3 is definitely buggy. Minor things here and there add up to make me wonder if this thing is going to last two or three years or more. One time it would not go to sleep and I had to do forced shut down. On another occasion the machine just suddenly rebooted. Fortunately I was just surfing the web and didn’t lose any data. Also, a few times now the screen would not rotate. I would shake it and rotate it from all angles to “wake” the gyrometer, but the screen would not budge from its original orientation. If this is the worst I’m seeing, then no problem. But if this is a precursor to bigger and more frequent bugs, I’m going to be sad.

The separately sold keyboard/cover is a ripoff. The felt-like material that it’s covered in is going to be frayed within a year. There is no way that is worth $140 and it must be subsidizing the cost of something. (Maybe the losses incurred on the previous iterations of Surface.) The typing experience is ok, but the clacketing sound when the keyboard is angled upwards can be loud when you’re banging out documents, like Cubsfan had mentioned.

The one thing I wish it had is a battery management utility. Almost every laptop I’ve ever owned had a system where the battery could be managed so it would not charge to 100% (to reduce stress on the battery and give it longevity). SP3 does not have such a utility. In fact, the light on the charging cable doesn’t even turn off to tell you that it’s reached full charge. I like to keep my battery charged between 30 and 85%, and not providing a utility to manage that is making me battery OCD. Oh, and the area where the battery is gets very very warm when recharging. A little too much so for my comfort. The fact that the battery cannot be replaced exacerbates my worry.

Other than the above, using the SP3 has been a pleasure and definitely productive. I do not miss having a dedicated laptop, and I congratulate Microsoft on creating such a versatile machine. I know some longtime Mac users who have switched to using the SP3 and that’s saying a lot.

I’ll go ahead and add my thought now that I’ve had it for a full month.

It’s simply the best laptop I’ve ever had. Plain and simple. The form factor is perfect. The screen is great. It turns on RIGHT NOW like my phone. There are a fair number of apps though I don’t use any. The ie app version is far superior to the desktop version. The fact that I can load matlab and mathcad on here is invaluable. Battery lasts a while. Oh it charges very very fast too.

The cons. The screen resolution is just too fine some times and difficult to read because txt is insanely small. The pen is near but I use it never times a week.

All in all its easily the best lap top I’ve ever owned.

Bump! I got a SP3 (the i5 256 gb model) a few weeks ago, as a combined birthday/christmas present from my parents, my wife, and myself. Overall I like it. But it’s an unusual device and probably not suited for everyone.

(I’ve posted another Wall Of Text about my opinions of Windows 8 in another thread.)

As a de facto desktop, like a lot of people use their laptops, the SP3 is just fine. Plenty of performance for moderately heavy duty desktop use, Win8.1 is a perfectly functional desktop OS, done. It doesn’t have many ports, but with a $25 USB hub/ethernet adapter combo, I have all I need. Right now I have it plugged into a proper keyboard and mouse, and a second monitor. I have only one nitpick, and it’s the display scaling. My options are, as far as I can tell: 100% scaling for both displays (waaay too tiny on the SP3), 200% for both (way to big on the second monitor), or 125% (external) & 150% (SP3), 125% & 175%, or 150% and 200%. The non-integer scaling works well enough on the SP3 screen since it such a high pixel density (216 dpi), but it’s hideous on the external (at 86 dpi). I can’t just set it to 100% and 200%, except by cutting the SP3 display resolution in half like some kind of barbarian. Like so much else about the SP3, the display scaling falls into the category of nearly brilliant things marred by a single frustrating flaw.

I thought I might be able to take advantage of the pen for working with simple vector graphics in Illustrator CS6, but for my needs it ends up being more awkward than keyboard+mouse. I’ve read elsewhere that the SP3 works quite nicely for actual sketching, particularly with recent versions of Adobe CC.

As a laptop, the keyboard isn’t half bad by laptop keyboard standards. It’s a nicely portable laptop when I have it on a solid surface. But between the loosely hinged keyboard and the kickstand, actually using it on your lap is a little awkward.

Then, there’s using it as a tablet. As mentioned above, I want to read and annotate PDFs, and have a digital notebook. The pen is great, and the screen is both beautiful and the right aspect ratio to match letter or A4 paper. The app version (there has to be a better term…) of OneNote is pretty slick, though I wish it had just a little bit more of the desktop version’s versatility. For one example, I can’t change the default size for typed text! Every time I type I have to manually set it from 10 point to something readable. For reading and annotating my collection of PDFs, I’ve been using Drawboard PDF, one of the few non-terrible apps in the Windows store. It’s got a solid feature set and interface, letting me quickly flip between pages, and highlight and scribble in the margins to my heart’s content. But it’s pretty glitchy and unstable (good thing it autosaves every minute by default, eh?). Every so often, it will stop displaying some of the annotations on a page, or sometimes it will render the page twice with each page turn. Another example of the nearly-great-except-for-frustrating-flaw category.

For general purpose tablet use, I’m not impressed. The good: Internet Explorer is a surprisingly great tablet browser, MetroMail is a decent app for gmail, and Nextgen Reader is an outstanding RSS reader. For watching videos, there are good apps for Netflix, Hulu, and VLC player, and the kickstand is pretty handy for propping it up anywhere. The pen makes a pretty decent mouse substitute for desktop software. The bad: except for the apps I have mentioned and a handful of others, everything in the Windows store is just terrible.

Then, while the battery life is pretty good, Windows can’t actually manage the battery life like a proper mobile OS. It doesn’t even make it easy to find the remaining battery life! By default, there’s only (1) a little tiny battery icon when you bring up the “charms”, (2) the system tray battery indicator, and (3) warnings that the battery is about to die. Turns out that Metro apps can’t even access system information, including the battery life. There is one app with a workaround: use the task scheduler to repeatedly run a batch file with a command line that writes the battery life to a text file that the app can read.

Finally, the SP3 is too clunky for simple tablet use. Every time I’ve been sitting on the couch idly browsing [del]stupid shit on the internet[/del] the SDMB or playing a game, I set the SP3 aside and use my phone instead. It’s just too big comfortably use and hold, except in portrait mode, where you can cradle it with one arm and hold the pen in the other just like book or pad of paper.

I think I might be happier with the Galaxy Note Pro 12.2, the only other big tablet with a good stylus, for “paper replacement” duty, and a more conventional laptop like the Thinkpad X1 running Windows 7. That would be even more staggeringly expensive (north of $2000 for that combo), and I’d have to juggle two devices. On the other hand, the vast majority of users would probably be happy with $500 laptop and/or a $200 tablet.

TL;DR: SP3 hardware is nearly flawless, if you have any desire for a giant tablet, or a laptop that’s not easy to balance on your lap. Windows 8 and the few decent Metro apps add lots of small but frustrating problems.

Congratulations on your new purchase. Our office just ordered eight of these to be used as general laptops and presentation devices that staff can sign out, to replace some older iPads.

Regarding battery management, I use BatteryBar Pro to keep track of battery life. It shows this in length of time and percentage, for both charging and consumption. (The free version is good enough.)

Thanks, that looks pretty handy. My just-retired Thinkpad had something similar, and I’ve forgotten how primitive the default Windows power management is…

My office is going with Surface Pro 3s for non-technical manager types - basically product owners, team leads, etc. They all seem to like them quite a bit. I lust for one, but, being a code monkey, I need a machine with a bit more oomph.

Bought one (w/keyboard) last fall for travel. Use mostly for email/browsing, but wife also uses it for Excel/Word. Touchscreen makes it better than an ordinary laptop, in that you’re not a slave to the touchpad or mouse when it comes to clicking on buttons. Fast bootup is awesome. Thin shape means it packs well for travel; this will be a great thing for motorcycle trips.

One USB port. If you like having an external mouse AND a thumb drive, you’ll need to get a USB hub, but there are plenty of compact options out there.

Stand works great for tabletop use; it’s less optimal for setting the whole rig in your lap.

mini HDMI port makes it trivially easy to hook up to HDTV displays for presentations (tho you’ll probably need to buy a mini-to-regular HDMI cable, since most households don’t have one lying around).

With a touchscreen, Windows 8/8.1 finally makes a bit more sense.

All in all, a good purchase; we’re quite happy with it.

I bought a Bluetooth mouse. That way I keep my usb port clear.

re: travel. I’ve heard that since the Surface Pro is considered a “tablet” by TSA, you don’t have to take it out of your carry on like you would with a “laptop”. That’s quite a good benefit if true.

Windows just had their round of announcements. Apparently, later this year you’ll be able to stream Xbox One games to any Windows tablet or PC. Which is awesome for me because on more than one occasion I’ve wanted to play my console but my wife wanted to watch TV.

Technically that’s true but as with many things, it all depends on the situation, and in this case, who is manning the security checks. Some people have let me through, while others made me take it out of my bag. Now, I just take it out beforehand like I did my laptop so I don’t have to deal with the suspense of, “Will they let me pass or not”.

Although it’s not SP3 per se, MS just announced a new Surface Hub aimed at enterprise users. It’s a gigantic 4K monitor that functions like and with a Surface device. Although there’s no pricing info yet, I’m going to be pushing this to our office procurement manager.