# Has anyone changed their minds since the election? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 16, 2016, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148 "2016-11-16T10:38:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/1 "2016-11-16T10:38:03Z")
I’ve learned not to include polls in a DNC stronghold, they would be lopsided anyway, but has anyone here changed their mind after they voted? Trump is the president elect and all the kings men can’t put Hillary back on top again … do we accept it and move on? The news media is still reporting the POTUS elect in a negative sort of way or at lest that’s what it looks like to me. Perhaps there is nothing concrete positive yet to report is my best guess. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/2 "2016-11-16T11:42:53Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > The news media is still reporting the POTUS elect in a negative sort of way or at lest that’s what it looks like to me. > > Perhaps there is nothing concrete positive yet to report is my best guess. Good guess. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/3 "2016-11-16T11:47:50Z")
Probably because Republicans kept the Senate and now control everything, my attitude has gone from dread to optimism. Although more optimistic that Pence and Ryan can control the agenda than that Donald Trump will find a clue. But we’ve definitely got an opportunity as a party to do things the right way this time and early signs look encouraging. Like backing off a tax plan because it’s too expensive, being cautious about how we go about repealing ACA, Paul Ryan winning the full support of the party to be Speaker, something which was in doubt… Trump’s more mixed, he’s being a little more mature but his appointments are worrying. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/4 "2016-11-16T11:54:37Z")
God apparently had some second thoughts… And whether it’s a good idea to “accept it and move on” depends on what that phrase means. Does it mean that we behave like the patient who, on being told her cancer has spread, accepts it and starts rooting for the tumor? Or do we accept it like the patient who says, “okay, I better ramp up my treatment plan”? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/5 "2016-11-16T13:28:27Z")
My opinion of the average American voter has definitely shifted. Where I thought resided an extremist minority, I find an actual majority. And even in the face of a Trump presidency, half the country did not vote! (Sorry, but that is truly astounding to me!) And now raging protests from the losers, lasting for days? What? Had the outcome been reversed, it could not be more self evident, that the Left would be screaming, “Suck it up! That’s democracy. You lost. Time to let it go!” This election has revealed many things to the world about the _actual_ state of your democracy and what really concerns US voters, I think. My personal opinion is that electing Trump may well destroy any lingering ‘leadership’ abilities the US still possessed. I mean, who’s going to listen now, to concerns about human rights, female equality, environmental protection, etc, from a nation that elects Trump? It’s hard to imagine anyone will take y’all seriously now. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/6 "2016-11-16T13:39:36Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > It’s hard to imagine anyone will take y’all seriously now. I don’t disagree with anything you wrote in you last paragraph, but I mainly wanted to comment on how cool it is that we’ve managed to export “y’all” to alla y’all. It’s prolly one of my favorite words and I love hearing people who are not from the Southeastern US (where I was mostly raised) use it. ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/7 "2016-11-16T13:44:02Z")
I agree that the most amazing thing is that even with the stark choices we were faced with, half the country didn’t vote. It’s one thing to think there are two bad choices; it’s another thing to pass the choice to someone else. If all the people who thought both were bad choices had voted libertarian, for example, we’d have a lot different prospect for the future if not a different result this time. As for changing my mind: I’m not likely to decide donald was the right choice, but so far he has been a little less stupid than I had expected (except in the appointments thing) so I guess I’m no longer as upset as I was. Maybe it will just be four years of stupid instead of four years of disaster. We can handle that. We’ve already had many many years of stupid. Today’s joke: What’s the difference between a politician and a flying pig? An F. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/8 "2016-11-16T13:45:16Z")
(To **Snowboarder Bo** ) Sure, when they use it right. Otherwise it’s like watching someone eat a taco with fork and knife. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/9 "2016-11-16T13:51:12Z")
The protests are overplayed in the media–they are almost wholly peaceful. You’ll find some clips representing exceptions, but of course, that’s all that gets real media play. As to hypocrisy, you’re issuing a broad counterfactual generalization. I am sure many would do as you say, and many others would do as I would, which is to tell the anti-Clinton protesters “more power to you, exercise your rights, keep it peaceful.” I completely agree, though, that we’ve lost all legitimacy on the world stage. > [@elbows](#): > > My opinion of the average American voter has definitely shifted. Where I thought resided an extremist minority, I find an actual majority. And even in the face of a Trump presidency, half the country did not vote! (Sorry, but that is truly astounding to me!) > > And now raging protests from the losers, lasting for days? What? Had the outcome been reversed, it could not be more self evident, that the Left would be screaming, “Suck it up! That’s democracy. You lost. Time to let it go!” > > This election has revealed many things to the world about the _actual_ state of your democracy and what really concerns US voters, I think. My personal opinion is that electing Trump may well destroy any lingering ‘leadership’ abilities the US still possessed. I mean, who’s going to listen now, to concerns about human rights, female equality, environmental protection, etc, from a nation that elects Trump? It’s hard to imagine anyone will take y’all seriously now. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/10 "2016-11-16T14:11:51Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > (To **Snowboarder Bo** ) Sure, when they use it right. Otherwise it’s like watching someone eat a taco with fork and knife. Ok, I’m stumped. Can you give examples of how you’ve seen “y’all” used incorrectly? Apologis to everyone for the slight (and brief) hijack. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/11 "2016-11-16T14:25:03Z")
Shouldn’t be used to address or refer to an individual. Y’all refers to a group (precisely in the way that **elbows** used it), which doesn’t necessarily have to be present (you can be talking to a single person when you use it, but you’re not calling that one person “y’all”, you’re probably talking about his mamanym) (“how’s ya mamanym; when y’all comin’ over?”). If any of y’all are talking to Bob, and just Bob, and call him “Y’all” that ain’t right. (Sorry for the overuse of parentheticals.) (_Dammit_, I just did it again!) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/12 "2016-11-16T14:40:13Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > My opinion of the average American voter has definitely shifted. Where I thought resided an extremist minority, I find an actual majority. And even in the face of a Trump presidency, half the country did not vote! (Sorry, but that is truly astounding to me!) > > And now raging protests from the losers, lasting for days? What? Had the outcome been reversed, it could not be more self evident, that the Left would be screaming, “Suck it up! That’s democracy. You lost. Time to let it go!” At which point you would likely be saying, “But if the Left had lost, they’d be breaking shit too, and probably worse!” I love untestable hypotheticals. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/13 "2016-11-16T14:54:00Z")
Rethink it? No way, not gonna happen. I will never, ever, think that Clinton was the way to go. I am so very glad Trump is our President. ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/14 "2016-11-16T15:03:37Z")
I’ll be interested to see how you feel about that in four years, \*\* Bullitt\*\*. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/15 "2016-11-16T15:04:48Z")
2020! Trump again, or The Humongous? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/16 "2016-11-16T15:06:54Z")
“Yes, I’m hiding underground to escape the cannibal marauders and dying of radiation sickness— but at least Hillary lost!” ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/17 "2016-11-16T15:17:46Z")
I agree, I think we lost a lot of our claims to leadership with Trump as president. We lost a lot of goodwill with Bush that we reversed with Obama, but putting Trump in totally demolished what was left of it. It isn’t that we voted for a Republican, it is that we voted for Trump that makes us look dangerous, dumb and gullible. Ah well. China and Europe can solve the major global problems. The US will still be involved, but I think this will change how the world views us for the long term. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/18 "2016-11-16T23:31:56Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Ok, I’m stumped. Can you give examples of how you’ve seen “y’all” used incorrectly? Here you go: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > alla y’all ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/19 "2016-11-16T23:44:17Z")
Nope. “Anya y’all”, “summa y’all”, “alla y’all” are cromulent. “All y’all,” is better. That would be _perfectly_ cromulent. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148/20 "2016-11-16T23:48:25Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Nope. > > “Anya y’all”, “summa y’all”, “alla y’all” are cromulent. “All y’all,” is better. That would be _perfectly_ cromulent. I’ll take “Phrases you can use at the ATM machine while typing in your PIN number” for 200, Alex. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-changed-their-minds-since-the-election/772148.md?page=2)