# Has anyone dared to suggest that 9/11 shouldn't have been that big of a deal? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 17, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751 "2009-05-17T15:38:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Alex\_Dubinsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dbc845/32.png) [@Alex\_Dubinsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_Dubinsky)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751/161 "2009-05-22T02:14:10Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Ah, don’t want to answer the question. I am not surprised. Surprised of what, exactly? Just curious if another one of your senseless dodges of a post might actually have some mangled meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751/162 "2009-05-22T02:28:59Z")
> [@Alex\_Dubinsky](#): > > That’s a good photo. Much better than the other one (in which the debris of course fell a little faster, but barely by much). But why are these pieces so isolated? Why didn’t the other large chunks of facade fall with them (instead of being back in that dust cloud that fell approximately with the towers)? We don’t see earlier in the tape, but likely these pieces were simply ejected early, before the full-on start. That’s why they’re ahead. Sigh. That’s what you want to believe. You have no evidence for it, of course, and logic, proof, and occam’s razor all suggest otherwise, but what Alex Dubinsky _wants_ to believe is far more powerful than all of those, isn’t it? > [@Alex\_Dubinsky](#): > > Do you have a cite of this? (video, etc) Ummm, I posted a video upthread that shows it. You’re not really into clicking hyperlinks, are you? > [@Alex\_Dubinsky](#): > > Surprised of what, exactly? Just curious if another one of your senseless dodges of a post might actually have some mangled meaning. Wait, _what?_ Are you seriously accusing me of dodging your hard-hitting questions in response to me pointing out that you dodged a simple question? _Seriously?_ You claimed that the trooth isn’t anti-semitic, so I pointed out that _someone_ made up the demonstrably false claims about Larry Silverstein and asked you why. You chose not to answer. I said I wasn’t surprised. Now that I’ve reiterated the question, I still won’t be surprised if you continue not to answer. In fact I fully expect you to somehow accuse me of not answering the question. ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_Dubinsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dbc845/32.png) [@Alex\_Dubinsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_Dubinsky)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751/163 "2009-05-22T03:16:45Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Ummm, I posted a video upthread that shows it. You’re not really into clicking hyperlinks, are you? Most links I click, but that one slipped me. The attempt to time the collapse is very interesting, I must say, but that video shows almost nothing of this supposed standing core. > [@Cisco](#): > > You claimed that the trooth isn’t anti-semitic, so I pointed out that someone made up the demonstrably false claims about Larry Silverstein and asked you why. You chose not to answer. Oh, I thought “don’t want to answer” was about yourself (to which I thought you had some nerve). Ok then. Well, what exactly am I supposed to answer? Which claims are you talking about? But even if they are all demonstrably false, the ‘why’ is pretty obvious. They make a good narrative? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751/164 "2009-05-22T03:23:05Z")
You realize Larry Silverstein has suffered relentless harassment due to this, don’t you? I don’t know if he still has to do this but at one point he had to hire bodyguards to escort him from his car to his office because people would be waiting for him when he got to work to yell at him and throw stuff at him. That’s worth it to you, for “a good narrative”? Is that all the trooth is to you? An exciting story? Do you realize how offensive this exciting fantasy is to the victims’ families, firemen, etc? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751/165 "2009-05-22T03:32:14Z")
> [@Alex\_Dubinsky](#): > > Well, what exactly am I supposed to answer? Which claims are you talking about? Claim: “Pull it” is demolition slang. Denied by everyone in the demolitions industry. Preposterous beyond belief that he would admit it in an interview, even if it was true. But this is still plastered all over trooth websites and repeated by troothers on messageboards every day. Who made this up, and why? Claim: Silverstein profited from 9/11. Widely known to be false at this point as a matter of fact and public record, yet the trooth still promotes this fabricated claim to this day. Who made this up, and why? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751/166 "2009-05-22T03:54:02Z")
> [@Alex\_Dubinsky](#): > > But among the “lay-truthers” in Western countries, almost none of them put the blame on Israel (unlike in Egypt, or even Russia). That puts a big damper on proponents of the “antisemites are everywhere” bent. How do you know almost none of them put the blame on Israel / teh Jews? It’s not like they’re a big enough proportion that their effect could be seen on those surveys. Heck, ever single Truther could have said “teh Jews” and it wouldn’t have made a blip on that survey, because there just aren’t many Truthers out there. > [@](#): > > Do you have a cite of this? (video, etc) Video of the North Tower core still standing: [http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational/watch/v16415132HnA38zEp](http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational/watch/v16415132HnA38zEp) There’s another of the South Tower out there somewhere. The fact is, the initial collapses damaged the cores of the buildings but didn’t take them out completely. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751/167 "2009-05-22T03:59:25Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The tradeoff for terrorism is what you’ll spend on security in terms of allowing government more power, actual money spent on security, etc. You have to weigh as a society how much government intrusion and budgetary increase is worth what rather small protection it provides. If the cost of terrorism is a few hundred people dying here or there, it probably isn’t worth the risk of big, intrusive government and huge security budgets. Some cost-effective security measures could be nice, but we’ve overreacted. That’s what this thread is about. The terrorists want to _terrorize_ and in that they have been extremely successful. The reaction was exactly what the terrorists had hoped for. The cost to the American economy has been phenomenal. The airlines have been mentioned. The airlines and tourism in America have not recovered and this was while the rest of the world had a huge tourism boom. America managed to keep travellers away with all the paranoia and security theater. That was caused not by the terrorists but by America’s reaction. While the world continues on with their lives America is spending millions in creating obstacles to the normal functioning of business. The terrorists succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751/168 "2009-05-22T04:02:30Z")
Oh and by the way, sixteen people survived, who were in the North Tower stairwell. The stairwell is inside the core. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751/169 "2009-05-22T04:18:30Z")
And a bomb-sniffing dog died. You know, one of the bomb-sniffing dogs that treuthers claim were removed. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751/170 "2009-05-22T05:27:19Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Claim: “Pull it” is demolition slang. Denied by everyone in the demolitions industry. Preposterous beyond belief that he would admit it in an interview, even if it was true. But this is still plastered all over trooth websites and repeated by troothers on messageboards every day. Who made this up, and why? > > Claim: Silverstein profited from 9/11. Widely known to be false at this point as a matter of fact and public record, yet the trooth still promotes this fabricated claim to this day. Who made this up, and why? I first heard of Larry Silverstein from the [911 Mysteries video](http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871) I’m not vouching for the veracity of this video, but I wondered what else Siverstein could have meant when he said what he did. I don’t know if these guys made this up or not; or if they did, why. It is more conspiracy fare. That’s the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751/171 "2009-05-22T05:54:30Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I first heard of Larry Silverstein from the [911 Mysteries video](http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871) > > I’m not vouching for the veracity of this video, but I wondered what else Siverstein could have meant when he said what he did. I don’t know if these guys made this up or not; or if they did, why. > > It is more conspiracy fare. That’s the thread. It’s been explained thoroughly. It is kind of akward wording, but he was saying they should get the firefighters out of there. In the context of the quote, (para.) "there’s been so much loss of life today, we might as well pull it), demolition doesn’t even fit. Was he saying, “a lot of people have died today, so let’s blow this building up”? 😕 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-dared-to-suggest-that-9-11-shouldnt-have-been-that-big-of-a-deal/496751.md?page=8)