# Has anyone ever done a GOOD job of mixing SF and porn? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 26, 2006, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380 "2006-05-26T22:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/21 "2006-05-27T03:47:22Z")
How much sex does a book or movie have to have in it before it’s porn ? I’ve read lots of SF with plenty of sex in it. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/22 "2006-05-27T03:48:41Z")
“Good” is a relative term. If you substitute “hilarious,” I offer you _Space Nymph_ by one Dustin Lasser, published by Carlyle in 1978. Note the year. From the first page: > [@](#): > > Leia Oregano blew her cock-hungry body dry with the softly whirring blowers of warm air sifting from the jets in the wall next to the metallically glistening stall shower she had just stepped from. She now felt clean and refreshed after her long interstellar flight as a space stewardess for Inter-Galactic Rockets Ltd. … Her ample, upsweeping tits and voluptuous young thighs quivered beneath her sheer, clinging nightgown in happy anticipation of the carnal pleasure waiting on the bed in the handsome, virile figure of her one-hundred-and-fifty-year-old husband, Obi. The intrigue continues when Tomorrow Commander Obi’s brother, Lute, returns from the Space Academy, bringing with him his roommate, a Wooky named Jabba. But wait, what of Trina Artog, who thinks her lover, Obi, is a single man? There can be no other choice. The two ladies will just have to … share him. And Lute. And Jabba. Oh, lots and lots of hot Wooky love. 180 pages worth. Or 58, minus the adjectives. And [it can be yours!](http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?ac=sl&st=sl&qi=W5Ng6r.HrBcWt1anfld.Ezjldq4_2376231334_2:1:1) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/23 "2006-05-27T03:59:21Z")
> [@Phase42](#): > > She starts out by arriving on Earth before Adam is created, and seducing him (Key dialogue from this scene: Adam sees Chasey and exclaims, “I thought I was supposed to get here first!”) That would explain the legend of Lilith . . . [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith#Lilith\_as\_Adam.27s\_first\_wife](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith#Lilith_as_Adam.27s_first_wife) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/24 "2006-05-27T04:00:46Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > How much sex does a book or movie have to have in it before it’s porn ? Enough to provide reliable whacking material. It’s a very practical, essentially commercial, test, with which the entire porn industry is utterly familiar. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/25 "2006-05-27T04:01:25Z")
Two titles spring readily to mind: [_Orgazmo_](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124819/), which I’d argue qualifies as Sci-Fi because the main character has a giant orgasm-inducing laser as a weapon for the second half of the movie, and _XXX Trek_ (which is actually a series of 3 porno films)- it does a VERY good job of combining Star Trek parody with hardcore sex. (I’ll leave you to find the relevant details yourself, as I couldn’t come up with any links that would be worksafe or meet the 2-click rule). But yeah, most SF sex stuff tends to be either literal or figurative Fanboy/girl mastubatory fantasies. Actually, while I remember, isn’t Robert A. Heinlein’s[Stranger In A Strange Land](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_In_A_Strange_Land) rather full of sex? I haven’t read the book (yet), but it’s certainly a fact that gets mentioned often… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/26 "2006-05-27T04:02:09Z")
> [@Case Sensitive](#): > > I’d disagree with that; I think that there’s a great deal of intersection in their intentions, if not in the subject matter: there’s a Kurt Vonnegut quote along the lines that what SF and pornography have in common is not sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable universe. I’ve read a lot of SF involving fantasies of a (not impossibly) **in** hospitable universe. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/27 "2006-05-27T04:03:38Z")
> [@Martini Enfield](#): > > Actually, while I remember, isn’t Robert A. Heinlein’s[Stranger In A Strange Land](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_In_A_Strange_Land) rather full of sex? So it is. Excellent SF. Very lame porn. Nothing Heinlein ever wrote qualifies as good porn, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/28 "2006-05-27T04:28:36Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > Well, of course, there’s always _Alpha Squad 7: Lady Nocturne: A Tek Jansen Adventure_. Unless you’re a Commie. You know, if it were ever actually written, I might actually buy it. I’d expect Tek Jansen to beat those nubile females up. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/29 "2006-05-27T05:37:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I’ve read a lot of SF involving fantasies of a (not impossibly) **in** hospitable universe. Yes, but the inhospitality of SF universes tends to be of the relatively straightforward nature which can usually be addressed with a blaster or a computer: problems are generally clearly defined in nature, if frequently world-threatening, and can usually be approached with a combination of skill, luck, and toughness. That’s what I mean by hospitable: SF heroes may have to save the world from killer aliens or scheming computers, but they seldom have to grapple with the mundanely inhospitable problems which confront most of us: being stuck in a boring job, having to pay a mortgage, or being unable to get a date. By the same token, pornography simply sidesteps the inhospitable - and frequently mundane - intricacies of human relationships by simply positing that all orifices are available without cost or consequence. Both SF and pornography are, by their general nature, wish-fulfilment for those seeking to escape the tedious constraints of an inhospitable reality for a while and indulge in hospitable dreams of being either a leather-clad gun-toting uber-hacker or a sexual tyrannosaurus: this goes a long way to explaining the popularity of both SF and porn - and, I might add, heavy metal and Nazism, both of which also posit an impossibly hospitable world view - amongst teenage boys. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/30 "2006-05-27T11:13:19Z")
Nothing from anime land? I have to assume that at least some of the porn is SF based. But unfortunately the closest to SF porn I’ve seen would be AD Police which…is more penis shrinking than enlarging. ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/31 "2006-05-27T13:30:28Z")
It’s up to you to decide how good it is, but you can find porn with a sci-fi theme by checking out _Cafe Flesh_ (1982) [http://www.angelfire.com/movies/oc/cafe.html](http://www.angelfire.com/movies/oc/cafe.html) Huh. When I looked up the link I discovered that it was remade by real pornographers: [http://www.adultfilmdatabase.com/index.cfm/Action/DV/VideoID/60790/Cafe\_Flesh\_3/](http://www.adultfilmdatabase.com/index.cfm/Action/DV/VideoID/60790/Cafe_Flesh_3/) . Whaddaya know. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/32 "2006-05-27T15:01:38Z")
In _Futurama_ there’s a huge lobster-on-lobster orgy, complete with money shot. I’ll bet you it’s the most favorite porn among crustaceans everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/33 "2006-05-27T15:07:06Z")
And [Nudes on the Moon](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056293/) was a, er, classic in its, er, genre 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/34 "2006-05-27T16:30:46Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Enough to provide reliable whacking material. It’s a very practical, essentially commercial, test, with which the entire porn industry is utterly familiar. The problem with such a standard is, enough to provide whacking material _for whom_? When I was 12 or 13, Shadows of the Empire was enough to provide whacking material, but it doesn’t come close to pornography. There’s a story in Neil Gaiman’s book [Smoke and Mirrors](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0380789027/sr=8-20/qid=1148746755/ref=sr_1_20/002-6856304-4997600?%5Fencoding=UTF8) that I’d consider porn, and I think it was also a sci-fi story. I don’t know for sure, because I was never able to get through it without having to stop and masturbate. It’s a great book by the way, but don’t go expecting lots of porn, because none of the other stories are. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/35 "2006-05-27T16:48:17Z")
Alien Sex is not porn, but it is a collection of SF stories about sex. But for good, funny, healthy SF Sex? How about Phil Foglio’s XXXenophile comics? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/36 "2006-05-27T23:12:23Z")
> [@Sage Rat](#): > > Nothing from anime land? I have to assume that at least some of the porn is SF based. > > But unfortunately the closest to SF porn I’ve seen would be AD Police which…is more penis shrinking than enlarging. Actually, some excellent stuff from anime land, in fact, the best fusion of plot to porn I’ve ever seen is to be found in _Imma Youjo IV: The Erotic Temptress_. The story starts with two noblemen taking a baby to an old seer. She tells them the baby has a terrible destiny and the way it can be forestalled is to raise her as a boy. The nobleman does so, and in about 20 years the incredibly handsome (in an almost feminine way) young Count Mayatola is a brave swordsman and a strong opponent of Count Pickerel and his witch hunters who are running amok throughout the country looking for witches. Mayatola feels that the witch hunters’ method of searching for witches by going into a village, killing all the men, raping, torturing, killing and kidnapping all the women and doing god knows what to the kids, deprives them of due process under the law. This pisses off the evil Count Pickerel to no end, and when one of his spies discovers that Count Mayatola takes baths, and that at such times displays a huge rack and no male package at all, he sends word to Pickerel, who picks Mayatola up because of course, pretending you’re a man when you’re a woman is de facto proof of witchcraft or … something … in medieval Europe, certainly enough tro get you locked up and raped and tortured a lot in Pickerel’s dungeon. Now here’s where the cool part comes in, which I’ll put in quotes for anyone who thinks they might want to watch the video: Maya’s witching power is linked to her sexuality, which is why she was raised as a boy instead of a girl, and all the rape and very sexual bondage Pickerel is subjecting her to in an attempt to break her is actually making a very powerful, very dangerous witch out of her! Yes, every single sexual torment they subject her to, every sexual act they perform upon Mayatola and force her to perform, brings them that much closer to their own doom,. as her powers grow in the dungeon until … well, let’s just say the witch hunters get theirs. Now, that’s linking the plotting and the porning! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2006, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/37 "2006-05-28T02:34:27Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > Sexy, but if you think that’s porn I’d be worried that you were related to **chela** 😉 > > The Leather Godesses of Phobos, text adventure game perhapse came closest. And the Gor novels are somewhat Sci Fi (though I consider them rubbish as fiction or porn). The Heavy Metal Magazine and asociated films come close as well. Leather Goddesses did not come very close at all. Good game, the heroine wore a brass bikini in the 3d comic that came with the original version, but porn? Not even close. Essex House published some sf porn by Phil Farmer and others. I think Flesh might have been an original there. I’ve looked at a few, and they were as much porn other porn books of the time. It failed of course - the writing was too good. And there is Piers Anthony’s Pornutopia, which sucked, and not in a good way. The original, uncensored Flesh Gordon, is probably as close to high production value sf movie porn as we’ll ever get. It was erotic, funny, and if the sfx were cheesy, that was in keeping with what it was satirizing. ---
**Author:** ![tremorviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@tremorviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tremorviolet)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2006, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/38 "2006-05-28T03:00:09Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Essex House published some sf porn by Phil Farmer and others. I think Flesh might have been an original there. I’ve looked at a few, and they were as much porn other porn books of the time. It failed of course - the writing was too good. Farmer also wrote [Venus on the Half Shell](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0440161495/sr=8-3/qid=1148784953/ref=pd_bbs_3/103-5063315-7213400?%5Fencoding=UTF8) under the (supposedly stolen from Vonnegut) pen name, Kilgore Trout. Maybe not porn but has an awful lot o’sex related hi-jinks. (particularly memorable to me as I “borrowed” my dad’s copy when I was like twelve…) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/39 "2006-05-28T03:25:12Z")
John Norman’s “Imaginitive Sex”… Sex, Aliens, and an instruction manual… won’t say it is/isnt ‘wacking material’, but it’s harder then hell to get ahold of a copy of it… no ‘decent’ book store will carry it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380/40 "2006-05-28T17:25:31Z")
> [@tremorviolet](#): > > Farmer also wrote Venus on the Half Shell under the (supposedly stolen from Vonnegut) pen name, Kilgore Trout… Not supposedly stolen, [DEL]stolen[/DEL] [borrowed](http://www.pjfarmer.com/trout.htm) without [permission](http://www.vonnegutweb.com/vonnegutia/trout/). CMC fnord! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-ever-done-a-good-job-of-mixing-sf-and-porn/358380.md?page=3)