# Has anyone had a bad experience with DeMolay / Freemasons/Order of the Eastern Star? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212 "2005-07-06T00:03:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/81 "2013-09-20T00:21:44Z")
Actually, I put forth facts. Not bullshit. Not unsubstantiated opinions. Not inane muttering. Facts. Just facts. I didn’t get my butt kicked. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/82 "2013-09-20T01:24:30Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I don’t even have a dog in this fight, but debate is a skill and you got your rhetorical ass kicked. You could be right, you just don’t have much to crow about upon that shit heap of an effort you put forth, which is all I pointed out. How can I sign up for your debate club? Cause if frothing at the mouth, flinging poop, and stomping out the door are considered to be winning stratergies, your club parties must be wild! ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/83 "2013-09-20T01:42:57Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Actually, I put forth facts. Not bullshit. Not unsubstantiated opinions. Not inane muttering. Facts. Just facts. I didn’t get my butt kicked. Cartooniverse cited 4 cases of molestation and your response was “So, how many didn’t get reported!”. So you think that isn’t inane muttering and you only cite facts? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/86 "2014-06-02T16:28:50Z")
I can tell you’re going to fit in quite well here. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/87 "2014-06-02T16:35:01Z")
The Internet ™. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/88 "2014-06-02T16:50:55Z")
Reported. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/89 "2014-06-02T17:04:53Z")
What’s the record for a non-spam banning? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/90 "2014-06-02T17:12:26Z")
My question, in all sincerity, is why do some people sign up just to make one insult, but yet pick a “good” name? Why don’t they pick “Cartooniverseisafuckingidiot” (for example) or just “12” or something? They’re never coming back. Maybe that should be a new thread, I dunno. I wonder sometimes if I wonder too much. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/91 "2014-06-02T17:28:26Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > My question, in all sincerity, is why do some people sign up just to make one insult, but yet pick a “good” name? Why don’t they pick “Cartooniverseisafuckingidiot” (for example) or just “12” or something? They’re never coming back. It’s probably their usual username - they’ve been banned under it on dozens of boards. Or maybe’ he’s actually Tom DeLonge. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/92 "2014-06-02T20:10:40Z")
I must admit it did annoy me a little when the Freemasons destroyed the World Trade Center, caused WWII and the Holocaust, engineered the French Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution and the American Civil War and the 1918 Spanish Flu Epidemic, fluoridated our water, introduced 1980s fashions and music, and so on, but I’ve never had any problem with them **personally.** ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/93 "2014-06-02T21:16:33Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I must admit it did annoy me a little when the Freemasons destroyed the World Trade Center, caused WWII and the Holocaust, engineered the French Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution and the American Civil War and the 1918 Spanish Flu Epidemic, fluoridated our water, introduced 1980s fashions and music, and so on, but I’ve never had any problem with them **personally.** That’s because you don’t hear what they are saying about you behind your back. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/94 "2014-06-02T23:08:33Z")
Nor will he…EVER. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2014, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/95 "2014-06-03T04:31:10Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I must admit it did annoy me a little when the Freemasons destroyed the World Trade Center, caused WWII and the Holocaust, engineered the French Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution and the American Civil War and the 1918 Spanish Flu Epidemic, fluoridated our water, introduced 1980s fashions and music, and so on, but I’ve never had any problem with them **personally.** All those things led to me being in a nice comfy condo with a middle class standard of living and all the beer I can drink in the fridge. So, yeah Freemasons! ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2014, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/96 "2014-06-03T04:46:21Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > It’s probably their usual username - they’ve been banned under it on dozens of boards. > > Or maybe’ he’s actually Tom DeLonge. Not just banned, but evaporated! What did he post? ---
**Author:** ![Well\_this\_is\_stupid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@Well\_this\_is\_stupid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Well_this_is_stupid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/97 "2014-07-12T05:53:50Z")
I’ve been a member since i was eligible and it is a fantastic places for young men. if someone has a bad experience with DeMolay then its probably the select adults that abuse that privilege of being a parental figure. Dont condemn the group. I myself have never gone a camp out with male adults. that never even gets offered to us because we arent boy scouts, we dont teach you how to survive in the woods and how to tie a thousands knots. we teach young men how to organize events, how to properly dress, how to serve food in a formal manner, how to honor womanhood. we even have a ceremony to explain our general purposes to the public. and besides the point our parents are more than welcome to know our secrets, most learn them when we do and most are, you guessed it, little handshakes, modes of recognition, stuff like that. more importantly most of the adults who are involved are generally related to one of the members. i mean you dont agree with good values, fine to each their own, but dont say we are bad with zero proof. and i dont know if you look in the top left of your screen often but it does say “fighting ignorance since 1973” and if you still believe that we are bad, you are taking a step in the wrong direction to fight ignorance. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/98 "2014-07-12T08:37:11Z")
By now, Cartooniverse’s nephew should be old enough to get drunk and ask what the deal was, yo. In any case, 'toony needed to chill the fuck out then, though I guess he’s probably done so by now, a bit. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/99 "2014-07-12T14:27:19Z")
> [@Well\_this\_is\_stupid](#): > > how to honor womanhood Has something to do with spelling out the alphabet, as I understand. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/100 "2014-07-13T22:04:59Z")
In all honesty, the food at the 45th annual North Carolina Shriner’s fish fry last fall was was not up to par. I don’t know if that qualifies as a bad experience with the Freemasons, but that’s what happened to me. Still, it’s for the hospitals, so I’ll probably buy some plates this year as well. ---
**Author:** ![GreenBanana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ccd318/32.png) [@GreenBanana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenBanana)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2015, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/101 "2015-01-25T22:50:36Z")
Im the current Master Counsel of the Order of Demolay Mohila chapter, I’m 16 years old and I just want to say that whatever happened to your child, was his idea. Let me explain: In Demolay WE the chapter members choose what we want to do. And we set about doing it, via adult advisers and stuff. I cant say much because of my oath of secrecy, however I just want you to know that I highly doubt that anything horrible or wrong happened to your child, and that he is simple honoring his oath. In my current chapter we have 6 12 year olds, all of which are happy and safe. Finally, you realize that had you been involved in demolay along with your son, you could easily know what is happening. My step father, and mother are both involved with demolay and know exactly what happens ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/102 "2015-01-26T00:53:34Z")
It was my nephew not my son. Insisting that nothing bad ever happens in these situations is best and most accurately answered with two words: Jerry Sandusky. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212.md?page=6)