# Has anyone had a bad experience with DeMolay / Freemasons/Order of the Eastern Star? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212 "2005-07-06T00:03:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/143 "2016-05-03T13:42:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Numerous conspiracy theories evolved and persist, claiming that the alleged abuse was part of a widespread series of crimes including devil worship, cannibalism, … I am trying to figure out how to combine child sexual abuse with cannibalism. I guess it all depends on which parts you eat. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/144 "2016-05-03T13:43:47Z")
Rebecca DeMolay is a smoking hot actress. Surely she wouldn’t be involved in anything untoward! ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/145 "2016-05-03T14:58:06Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I’m confused by the claims of institutional, by the rules, secrets in the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts that kids would be privy to… Oh, man, nobody told _me_ any secrets… Probably knew I’d blab to the first reporter who offered me a Charleston Chew for my exposé. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/146 "2016-05-03T16:20:46Z")
If there was anything at all interesting about Masonic rituals, it wouldn’t be a secret anymore because there’d be fifty bazillion Web sources explaining them in the most minute detail. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/147 "2016-05-03T16:21:23Z")
> [@Corruptionkiller](#): > > In 2010 F.B.I. busted Shriners Childrens Hospitals with financing and kidnapping enough children to supply over 192 of Freemasons lodges and shrines of all rites for exclusive use by Master Masons to have sex with children. Over 75% of Shriners Donations funded with up to $600,000.00 dollars per hour of your tax money to run the sex ring and massive pedophile parties (bashes). Indiana Brotherhood Shriners headquartered the ring in Indianapolis where F.B.I. investigations discovered over 18,000 felony predator child violators by name and preference. Shriners lost their non profit status which somehow was regained. Only a few judges were incarcerated out of the ten of thousands involved in the ring which composed of literally all the administrative lodges and shrines nationwide. All highest level freemasons who administer rules, membership, charities were involved. Due to the high level of corrupt masonics in all city, state and federal agencies, political, judicial and law enforcement virtually no one in our nations largest child kidnapping, sex slavery and mass murder has seen bars except a couple. This is the integrity of Freemasonry, D.E.A.'s largest drug cartel to boot. This is why our country has been financially raped. It WILL SOON BE THEIR TURN. I am glad to have participated in closing their money launderer HSBC in Mexico as well as their friends in I.N.M. Mexican Immigration in Mexico City in Feb. 2011. This as a result of kidnappings, attempted murder of whistleblowers of Indiana residents in Mexico (myself) whom were attempting to incarcerate Master Masons in Michigan City, Indiana who are prosecutors and judges who are killing clients, multimillionairs and stealing their assets since 1994. I have witnessed Indiana freemason Barry F. McDonnell disyribute drugs to my brother since I was about 15 or so. In the years I was asked to join them and invest in cocaine distribution in Michigan City and Joliet illinois including insider land fraud run by judges in both cities. I watched them commit crimes against clients whom ended up like me…fleeced of millions but tbey ended up dead. Roger Pecen my first witness discovered their plans to steal my inhetitance. He stated he was going to help me stop them, he was dead in two weeks. Since than many many people have died. I started a documentary and lived in a town called Puert Escondido Mexico where friends of present judges and prosecutors is involved in drug smuggling, mass kidnapping for stem cell research that was responsible fir over 3000 kidnappings and deaths of teens and young adults. The same compound held Mexicos largest methamphetamine lab when almost busted in 2007. The investigation started when two teens washed up on a local puerto escondido beach with their skin burnt off above their elbows. Mexico anti narcos state they were mixing meth chemicals with no protection lasting just a few months. The facility employed Michigan City resident by the name of Kelley a known friend od present judges, prosecutors. The facility closed temporarily after being busted and then a large payoff to silence agents. I was their in puerto and knew contacts that informed me one hour after the gunships returned, they used my home as waypoint. The facility was reopened and the discovery of their employer became evident in court proceedings by these prosecutors associates, residents of michigan city, indiana in Puerto Escondido working in this facility doing mass kidnapping were investigated by SEIDO, MEXICO ATTY GENERAL, US STATE DEP, US MARSHALLS MADE ARRESTS, EXTRADITIONS. FBI in the U.S. blocked all investigation and due process to protect the massive, countrys largest drug cartel…freemasonry. Ohhh and why did all these crimes go without due process just like 18,000 hignest level master masons in our country, all pedophiles? The company hiring these criminals whom Mexican Immigration allowed to commit crimes against humanity for freemasons in Indiana and abroad… > The company in court records Zapata Corporation, soon changed to Harbinger Group. Its founder… George Herbert Walker Bush. I have the proof but FBI and all agencies in Indiana protect freemasons which would have met with the electric chair inMichigan City, Indiana… They continue without hinder in mass murder and child slavery en masse as we speak. Read “The Franklin Conspiracy” Well, I guess we now know how **Cartooniverse** ’s nephew turned out. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/148 "2016-05-03T18:31:23Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Rebecca DeMolay is a smoking hot actress. Surely she wouldn’t be involved in anything untoward! But her father might. . > **[Wally George](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_George)** > > Wally George (born Walter George Pearch, Jr.; December 4, 1931 – October 5, 2003) was an American conservative radio and television commentator. Calling himself the "Father of Combat TV," he was a fixture on Southern California television for three decades (1975–2003), most notably as the host of Hot Seat, which began as a local show on KDOC Channel 56, a local Southern California based UHF TV station in Anaheim, Orange County in 1983. His other nicknames were "Mr. Conservative" and "Mr. Ameri Ge... ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/149 "2016-05-03T23:26:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Well, I guess we now know how **Cartooniverse** ’s nephew turned out. > > Regards, > Shodan Of course! Why didn’t anyone else connect the dots here? Well, played, Regardsy. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/150 "2016-05-04T21:25:42Z")
“Zombies are slow, always attacking last. but always doing 1-8 hit points of damage when they hit. They always fight until destroyed and nothing short of a cleric can turn them back” – Monster Manual 1st Edition ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/151 "2016-05-05T00:09:47Z")
…I feel like you could have saved that for a better thread. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/152 "2016-05-05T01:23:04Z")
> [@andros](#): > > …I feel like you could have saved that for a better thread. I guess it depends on which part of me you’re trying to feel … and why you like it. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/153 "2016-05-05T03:20:31Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Wow. My Lodge could barely run a fish-fry fund-raiser, apparently we should have been taking lessons from the Indiana Masons. Those mo-fos are ORGANIZED. I hate Indiana Masons. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/154 "2016-05-05T03:41:49Z")
That post was only missing something about MJ-12 and aliens, otherwise that was as close to perfect as we can see here. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/155 "2016-05-05T04:15:42Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > They done stole his paragraph breaks too! Run 'em out on a rail, brother. Paragraph breaks? We don’t need no stinkin’ paragraph breaks! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/156 "2016-05-05T20:04:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Well, I guess we now know how **Cartooniverse** ’s nephew turned out. Holy shit. /thread, sir, /thread indeed. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/157 "2016-05-06T02:12:58Z")
> [@JeffB](#): > > I hate Indiana Masons. So, you import all you bricklayers from Illinois? ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/158 "2016-05-06T04:40:23Z")
> [@JeffB](#): > > I hate Indiana Masons. Any particular reason(s)? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/159 "2016-05-06T08:23:27Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I’m confused by the claims of institutional, by the rules, secrets in the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts that kids would be privy to. I was a member of both for a long time as a child and I can recall nothing particularly secretive. > > As for **Corruptionkiller** , can we keep him? We’ll feed him and brush him and take him for walks whenever he wants to go outside. Oh, no! I’ve heard _that_ line before! Like the time you brought home that short order cook. He had me up half the night, making toast, until the freezer was FULL! I’m _STILL_ making toast soup! ---
**Author:** ![ComplainJane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@ComplainJane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComplainJane)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2016, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/160 "2016-05-28T11:49:24Z")
About 10 years ago, I was introduced to a couple (at their home) where the husband was a DeMolay member. I forgot all about this until I just saw something pop up online about the group and remembered the creepy experience I had. Anyway, I was a guest at this couple’s house; a mutual friend of ours brought me there for a barbecue. I remember there were some young boys at the house, and I was told that they were all in “DeMolay”. And that the husband was a leader or something. And the whole thing struck me as weird. And then at one point, the husband complimented his wife on the burgers she grilled. Her response was that he should come home once in a while, and he could have them more often, instead of spending all his time “away” with “the boys”. The young boys didn’t participate in the barbecue. They just seemed to be all over the house hanging out. And I was told that the husband’s constantly doing things with these kids, and never home. And when he is home, he brings some of the boys with him. I don’t know. Maybe nothing was going on. But I got a weird vibe about the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![Creedencecretin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Creedencecretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Creedencecretin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/161 "2017-02-24T19:09:01Z")
Of all the things that could have been mentioned, from Ted Gunderson to Operation Gladio, conspiracy of silence, Pizza Gate ect ect ect. All these points that could be used to further the thread. Here we now are talking about boys at the BBQ and all we are left with is months on end of silence. Even more questionable is the tone of your experience. Im not sure what it is, i can’t quite put my finger on it but something about it just seems to lack authenticity. ☹ I feel in a thred like this, if we really want to gain some insight into the perilous world cartoonivers and his nephew Corruptionkiller are placing us, we need more empathy and less creativity. Furthermore, I feel that if you were born a man, the motivations of man or men should not be hard to see. And there are less men engaged in austerity than hedonism. Thus the motivations of man tend to move towards the one extreme as opposed to the other. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/162 "2017-02-24T19:25:12Z")
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