# Has anyone had a bad experience with DeMolay / Freemasons/Order of the Eastern Star? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212 "2005-07-06T00:03:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/163 "2017-02-24T19:57:48Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Well okay then. > > Regards, > Shodan I am in complete agreement with you. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/164 "2017-02-24T20:13:51Z")
I agree with **Shodan**. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/165 "2017-02-24T20:19:19Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Well okay then. > > Regards, > Shodan > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I am in complete agreement with you. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I agree with **Shodan**. QFT. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/166 "2017-02-24T20:37:40Z")
Apparently a zombie thread has to get bumped every three or four years to get anyone to agree with me. šŸ™‚ Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/167 "2017-02-24T20:40:45Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Apparently a zombie thread has to get bumped every three or four years to get anyone to agree with me. šŸ™‚ > > Regards, > Shodan Once again, I am in complete agreement with you. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/168 "2017-02-24T20:47:07Z")
The Freemasons in New York City are SO DESPERATE for young members (under eighty) that they have even asked my wife if I would be interested. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/169 "2017-02-24T20:49:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Once again, I am in complete agreement with you. > > šŸ˜ƒ Boy, did I set myself up that timeā€¦ Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/170 "2017-02-24T21:21:31Z")
Hey, **Shodan** , letā€™s join the Freemasons _together_! Think of the fraternal brotherhood TEAM weā€™d make! Think Crosby and Hope, Burke and Hare, Leopold and Loeb, Sacco and Vanzetti, Arsenic and Old Laceā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/171 "2017-02-24T21:24:38Z")
We here at General widgets think we know that it is better to evolve transparently than to benchmark strategically. We think that most distributed web-based applications use far too much XForms, and not enough XMLHttpRequest. Without user communities, you will lack social networks. The ultra-1000/60/60/24/7/365 project management factor can be summed up in one word: six-sigma, 24/7/365. If you generate iteravely, you may have to monetize magnetically. What do we facilitate? Anything and everything, regardless of namelessness! We will engineer the power of schemas to harness. Think bricks-and-clicks. Think cutting-edge. Think integrated. But donā€™t think all three at the same time. The versioning factor can be summed up in one word: scalable. We think we know that it is better to empower transparently than to morph ultra-strategically. The metrics for development are more well-understood if they are not enterprise. Our visionary feature set is unparalleled in the industry, but our virtual e-services and user-proof operation is always considered a remarkable achievement. Think collaborative. Think collaborative. Think sexy. But donā€™t think all three at the same time. At General widgets, we realize how to disintermediate micro-interactively. If you generate intra-micro-compellingly, you may have to syndicate cyber-seamlessly. We will benchmark the jargon-based term ā€œfrictionless, back-endā€. We pride ourselves not only on our resource-constrained feature set, but our easy administration and user-proof configuration. We always facilitate frictionless, fractal all-hands meetings. That is a terrific achievement taking into account the current and previous fiscal yearā€™s financial state of things! Do you have a plan of action to become enterprise, dot-com? Imagine a combination of XForms and AJAX. The implementation factor is killer. Quick: do you have a affiliate-based, world-class plan of action for monitoring unplanned-for e-markets? The metrics for implementation supervising are more well-understood if they are not global. The metrics for methodologies are more well-understood if they are not plug-and-play. What does the industry jargon ā€œgranular, back-end research and developmentā€ really mean? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/172 "2017-02-24T22:55:13Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > ā€¦more well-understood if they are not plug-and-play. What does the industry jargon ā€œgranular, back-end research and developmentā€ really mean? Iā€™m ā€œregardsā€-ing this. ---
**Author:** ![Corruptionkiller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Corruptionkiller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corruptionkiller)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/173 "2017-03-06T05:49:34Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > Over in [This MPSIMS thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6333956), I expressed some concerns regarding the trust and secrecy issues enforced upon minor children of both genders by the Freemasons. > > Iā€™ll quote back from my post in there to explain my concern: > So, there you have it. I am respecting the wishes of the OPā€™er, and starting a totally separate thread so that his is not hijacked any more. > > Are there any Dopers out there who have had negative or damaging or upsetting dealings with these groups who feel they can share them in the Dope? I would be highly surprised if my nephew is the only 12 year old boy ever told heā€™s not allowed to tell anyone what he does when he goes away with adult men for the weekend. Not his Mom, not his Dad, not his uncle ( me ). Nobody, pretty much. See, itā€™s secret. > > Secret. So hereā€™s your chance to unburden some of those secrets. My nephew got out, but not easily. To this day he cannot talk about what happened during the years he was involved in DeMolay. > > Are there any Dopers out there who can? > > Since this is feeling like a poll of sorts, Iā€™ve posted it into IMHO. > > Cartooniverse Go figure they are now openly soliciting 12 year olds without parent contact. School wants me to prosecute as the solicitation breaks multiple child endangerment laws but POLICE refuse to accept a report. However this was not a valid attempt as they only want to threaten me thru my son and stop trying to turn in the large group of Indiana brotherhood an Joliet prosecutors, judges selling coke and killing clients. How bout McDonnell and their prosecutor group in Michigan city. When brothers go up for murder they accidently get caught eavesdropping on the murder defendent and their attorney to get the case thrown out. Of course this happened twice in less than six months. Two murderers walk and no one reprimands the prosecutorsā€¦hahhh. How bout the son of the same murdering group who while demolay hung his friend to death at 16 years old!!! His daddy now an a judge was the prosecutor in his own sons murder case. His son now an attorney at Winston Strawn. Big fat liability out theirā€¦ knowingly having an attorney that was openly allowed an illegal trial, and now an attorney. Ambition early in the ranks of pedophile murderers. Michigan City Indiana. Wanna know the murdered kids name? OR HOW BOUT THE MURDERER ATTORNEYā€¦WINSTON STRAWN IS AWARE AS I INFORMED THEM, ITS DOCUMENTED. So guys give me my illions back and I will leave you all alone to your killing of LaSalle Street attorney Donald Hamrin and many other. Too bad the state dept, dhs and other agencies are refused cooporation by F.B.I. or I may have successfully pulled of about 6 hot seat electric chair cantidates on the West side of Michigan City. So just dropping numbers in the FBI shriners discovery of 18,000 plus identified highest lever Freemasons named by name and preference. ā€¦ so we are talking 36,000 minimum child rapes that still need investigatingā€¦ and probably 99% of victims dissappeared. Going for RICO act, new players in game, law enforcement in revolution of criminal pedophile drug cartel and honestly moral people whom are targets for the immoral elite ho collect 500 million for charity and pocket 450 million plus to run their sex slavery network. Its o.k. someone can give more accurate numbers. All said and done Shriners use 75% of their donation for the nationwideā€¦worldwide child sex slavery expressly for their own use. But thats not me folks, its right out of court documents. NEVER EVER HEARD ONE FREEMASON APOLOGIZEā€¦ as it is still going strong. Bareback child killers ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/174 "2017-03-06T05:55:37Z")
I lost my _Insane Gibberish Wall of Text --\> Comprehensible English_ dictionary. Anyone with access to theirs want to take a stab at parsing Post #171? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/175 "2017-03-06T06:11:38Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Iā€™m confused by the claims of institutional, by the rules, secrets in the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts that kids would be privy to. I was a member of both for a long time as a child and I can recall nothing particularly secretive. > > As for **Corruptionkiller** , can we keep him? Weā€™ll feed him and brush him and take him for walks whenever he wants to go outside. > > Or has he already run off? > [@running\_coach](#): > > Of course he has. These clowns never stay. Shit. He found his way back. > [@Monty](#): > > I lost my _Insane Gibberish Wall of Text ā€“\> Comprehensible English_ dictionary. Anyone with access to theirs want to take a stab at parsing Post #171? I tried. You owe me a Kindle. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/176 "2017-03-06T12:46:31Z")
ā€œBareback child killersā€-Killing children without wearing condoms? Killing children who refuse to wear condoms? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/177 "2017-03-06T13:13:58Z")
> [@Corruptionkiller](#): > > THE MURDERER ATTORNEY Wasnā€™t that a John Grisham novel? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/178 "2017-03-06T13:15:20Z")
> [@Corruptionkiller](#): > > Go figure they are now openly soliciting 12 year olds without parent contact. School wants me to prosecute as the solicitation breaks multiple child endangerment laws but POLICE refuse to accept a report. However this was not a valid attempt as they only want to threaten me thru my son and stop trying to turn in the large group of Indiana brotherhood an Joliet prosecutors, judges selling coke and killing clients. How bout McDonnell and their prosecutor group in Michigan city. When brothers go up for murder they accidently get caught eavesdropping on the murder defendent and their attorney to get the case thrown out. Of course this happened twice in less than six months. Two murderers walk and no one reprimands the prosecutorsā€¦hahhh. How bout the son of the same murdering group who while demolay hung his friend to death at 16 years old!!! His daddy now an a judge was the prosecutor in his own sons murder case. His son now an attorney at Winston Strawn. Big fat liability out theirā€¦ knowingly having an attorney that was openly allowed an illegal trial, and now an attorney. Ambition early in the ranks of pedophile murderers. Michigan City Indiana. Wanna know the murdered kids name? OR HOW BOUT THE MURDERER ATTORNEYā€¦WINSTON STRAWN IS AWARE AS I INFORMED THEM, ITS DOCUMENTED. So guys give me my illions back and I will leave you all alone to your killing of LaSalle Street attorney Donald Hamrin and many other. Too bad the state dept, dhs and other agencies are refused cooporation by F.B.I. or I may have successfully pulled of about 6 hot seat electric chair cantidates on the West side of Michigan City. So just dropping numbers in the FBI shriners discovery of 18,000 plus identified highest lever Freemasons named by name and preference. ā€¦ so we are talking 36,000 minimum child rapes that still need investigatingā€¦ and probably 99% of victims dissappeared. Going for RICO act, new players in game, law enforcement in revolution of criminal pedophile drug cartel and honestly moral people whom are targets for the immoral elite ho collect 500 million for charity and pocket 450 million plus to run their sex slavery network. Its o.k. someone can give more accurate numbers. All said and done Shriners use 75% of their donation for the nationwideā€¦worldwide child sex slavery expressly for their own use. But thats not me folks, its right out of court documents. NEVER EVER HEARD ONE FREEMASON APOLOGIZEā€¦ as it is still going strong. Bareback child killers Are you off your meds? ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/179 "2017-03-06T15:00:57Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Are you off your meds? Iā€™ve heard stories about dropping acid and then fucking a cactus but never seen a real life application of that until **Corruptionkiller**. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/180 "2017-03-06T15:07:02Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I lost my _Insane Gibberish Wall of Text ā€“\> Comprehensible English_ dictionary. Anyone with access to theirs want to take a stab at parsing Post #171? Thatā€™s **Shodan** ā€™s job. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/181 "2017-03-06T16:06:44Z")
**Quicksilver** ninjaā€™ed me. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-had-a-bad-experience-with-demolay-freemasons-order-of-the-eastern-star/311212/182 "2017-03-06T16:09:02Z")
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