# Has anyone provided proof the election was stolen? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 25, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329 "2021-09-25T14:00:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/403 "2022-03-28T23:34:23Z")
Yeah, but are the election “security” measures many Republican states are enacting going to suppress these fraudulent Republican votes and jail the Republican frausters? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/404 "2022-03-28T23:50:46Z")
_Of course_ they are. To say otherwise would suggest that the Republicans had some sort of ulterior motive behind all their shiny new election laws. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/405 "2022-03-29T00:06:29Z")
Well you see the Heritage Foundation is really a false flag Soros front run from a pizza parlor basement. Wake up sheeple! It will all come out as soon as Pillow Guy arrests and jails the 300,000,000 (three-hundred-million) of us fraudsters. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/406 "2022-03-29T00:07:33Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Reading the Dope I get the impression that the only voter fraud that exists come from Republicans. But I assumed that that was largely due to selection bias. That dopers gleefully to point out Republican hypocrisy but ignore malfeasance of their own party. But it turns out, nope, the Republicans really are the only ones committing fraud. Trust me, _in the past_ the Dems had their share. But now, no real reason for it. We have the votes, we don’t _need_ to cheat, we just need to get the legit votes out. The GOP does not have the votes, so they cheat and accuse everyone else of cheating. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/407 "2022-03-29T00:55:14Z")
I think a lot of it is due to the Republicans drinking their own kool-aid. They believe that voter fraud among the Democrats is rampant, but is never caught because the voting laws are so lax. So they believe that are justified in committing fraud and they’ll never be caught. Turns out they’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/408 "2022-03-29T01:41:40Z")
And I think the fact that Trump urged his fan boys to try and vote twice in order to test the system might have something to do with it. > **[Trump keeps telling people to vote twice, even though that’s a crime](https://www.vox.com/2020/9/12/21434020/trump-keeps-telling-people-to-vote-twice-even-though-thats-a-crime)** > > The president’s baseless campaign against mail-in voting continues. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/409 "2022-03-29T03:27:29Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > It is ironic (or, maybe not ironic at all), that right wing social media types are looking for states to get out of the system that actually did find some negligible number of illegal votes, when right wingers are pushing for new laws that will uncover nothing, but will make it harder for poor people and minorities to vote. Yeah, it’s almost as if their goal is not to actually prevent fraud, but to prevent minorities from voting. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/410 "2022-03-29T03:58:26Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Yeah, it’s almost as if their goal is not to actually prevent fraud, but to prevent minorities from voting. NO! Next thing, you’ll be telling us that there is gambling happening at Rick’s. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/411 "2022-03-29T04:14:00Z")
I’m shocked, shocked! ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/412 "2022-03-29T11:02:42Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > NO! Next thing, you’ll be telling us that there is gambling happening at Rick’s. And if it’s a Trump casino, he won’t let Sam play the piano. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/413 "2022-03-29T11:37:53Z")
just seen this …note its the “Washington examiner” so take it with the great salt lake > **[New report: 255,000 ‘excess votes’ for Biden in six key 2020 states](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-report-255-000-excess-votes-for-biden-in-six-key-2020-states/ar-AAVAjew?ocid=SK2DDHP&cvid=b2364a32d36345f19591c50631d37e8d)** > > A new deep dive into discrepancies in the ballot counts of six key battleground states in the 2020 election has turned up more than 250,000 “excess votes” for President Joe Biden, and maybe far more. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/414 "2022-03-29T13:42:43Z")
> [@Washington Examiner](#): > > The key point in the upcoming peer-reviewed study for journal _Public Choice_ by economist and noted gun expert [John Lott Jr](https://www.vox.com/2016/8/30/12700222/nra-social-scientist-claims-debunked) That’s how far I got. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/415 "2022-03-29T13:48:44Z")
Reading the entire article, that looks like nothing. Not a single actual act of fraud, and not even any “excess votes” - just wild guesses. Nothing about any actual votes for Biden. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/416 "2022-03-29T13:56:58Z")
I’m sure we’ll be hearing all about this “peer reviewed” study from the right wing propagandists soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/417 "2022-03-29T15:41:53Z")
> [@Washington Examiner](#): > > peer-reviewed study Technically, an idiotic study reviewed by other idiots could be described as “peer-reviewed”, but that it not the standard usage. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/418 "2022-03-29T15:57:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Reading the entire article, that looks like nothing. Not a single actual act of fraud, and not even any “excess votes” - just wild guesses. Nothing about any actual votes for Biden. Rather like Trump’s team of crack lawyers found in 60+ bites at the apple. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/419 "2022-03-29T16:03:51Z")
We’ve had discussions on the nature of what peer review means on this board before. What it does _not_ mean is that it has been independently verified, that the information and conclusions reached are valid. Different journals have different standards, but the least of them are reviewed by idiots, and even the best aren’t going to actually replicate the study. I don’t know where _Public Choice_ stands on that spectrum, but digging in a little makes it look like they have a strong partisan bias. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/420 "2022-03-29T16:09:47Z")
Is this a new “study”? Because it’s a recurring theme for him: (From his Wiki): > [@](#): > > Lott has claimed there was voter fraud in the [2020 United States presidential election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election).[[70]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott_(political_activist)#cite_note-70) He argued there was “irregularities” in the [absentee ballots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absentee_ballots) in [Missoula County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missoula_County,_Montana), and later wrote a paper claiming there was evidence of fraud in the absentee ballots in [Georgia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state)) and [Pennsylvania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania).[[71]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott_(political_activist)#cite_note-:6-71) A 2021 _[PNAS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proceedings_of_the_National_Academy_of_Sciences_of_the_United_States_of_America)_ study by political scientists at Stanford University and the University of Chicago rebutted Lott’s paper as being not even remotely convincing, writing that his analysis was “entirely dependent on the completely arbitrary order in which pairs of precincts in other counties are entered in the dataset” and that his conclusions about voter fraud were “utterly baseless.”[[71]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott_(political_activist)#cite_note-:6-71)[[72]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott_(political_activist)#cite_note-72)[[73]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott_(political_activist)#cite_note-73) I’m not holding my breath for this one to be any different. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/421 "2022-03-30T22:17:49Z")
Yawn, it looks like another correlation =\= causation issue. The finding seems to be the areas in which election irregularities were alleged, have different election statistics than those areas where irregularities weren’t reported. Given the only people reporting irregularities were Republicans, and the places they would be most likely to complain about would be Democratic strongholds. So its the same “OMG! Democratic voters don’t vote exactly the same a Republican ones! (p\<10^-58)” therefore there must be fraud, and if we throw out all of the Democratic votes that make up this difference Trump wins. Of course I haven’t seen the paper and so I might be totally wrong about this, and in reality its some new and different way to totally misapply statistical test to reach a faulty conclusion. In that case there is at least a silver lining that there might soon be a fourth enertaining Matt Parker youtube video to go with [his](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etx0k1nLn78)[other](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua5aOFi-DKs) [three](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aokNwKx7gM8), debunkng the math behind the bogus claims. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/422 "2022-04-03T15:31:10Z")
Matt Parker youtube video to go with [his](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etx0k1nLn78) [other](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua5aOFi-DKs) [three](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aokNwKx7gM8), debunkng the math behind the bogus claims. Very interesting Matt. I would need to watch it a few more times though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329.md?page=22)