# Has anyone provided proof the election was stolen? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 25, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329 "2021-09-25T14:00:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/121 "2021-10-01T09:33:09Z")
There are no such illegal or illegitimate votes. I watched and read the report. You’re spreading lies. Those supposed “anomalies” are not actually anomalies. Sometimes people move. Sometimes more than one person has the same name. There are obvious explanations for all of this, which is why it’s been soundly rejected by every court that’s considered it. You’re spreading misinformation and lies. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/122 "2021-10-01T10:37:56Z")
I think it is evident the only person living in an echo chamber is you, buddy. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/123 "2021-10-01T12:16:11Z")
To a MAGA, an illegal or illegitimate vote is any vote for Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/124 "2021-10-01T13:07:53Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > Furthermore, the courts have been corrupted by Soros also. Don’t tell me about court rulings because I don’t trust any of them anymore. But you do trust a company called Cyber Ninjas, which is owned by someone who supports Trump. Why is that? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/125 "2021-10-01T13:30:44Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > And nobody has said that mail in votes are not legal. I never said that. What I SAID is that the last minute changes many states made to their elections laws that were not sanctioned by their legislatures was UNCONSTITUTIONAL and therefore ILLEGAL. But it was done because of the COVID boogeyman. Still 100% illegal. Okay, I get what you are saying. For clarity, are you making claims other than the above? Are you claiming, for instance, that - votes switched from Trump to Biden ? - fake votes for Biden were added to the count ? - real votes for Trump excluded from the count ? - other ? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/126 "2021-10-01T13:35:58Z")
It’s interesting to see just how un-hinged Trump supporters are. But it explains the insurrection. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/127 "2021-10-01T13:36:15Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I’m sure the poster who just joined this month and who starts off his post with a blatant lie is being perfectly honest in his assessment of the situation… **Modnote** : Watch it please, this is really pushing the don’t attack the poster rule. _This is just a guidance, not a warning. Nothing on your permanent record._ > [@The\_Librarian](#): > > You were doing great until this. > > Piss off, you wannabe nazi. **Modnote** : This is not allow and do not do it again. If you have a problem with what the poster posted and they’re violating a rule, flag it please. Otherwise take it to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/128 "2021-10-01T14:35:00Z")
Idaho has done a couple county recounts due to the mypillow guy. Seems like everyone of them ends up with Biden gaining votes. Have there been any recounts that benefited the loser of the election? > **[Bonner County to conduct 2020 election audit as part of Idaho's effort to...](https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/oct/01/bonner-county-to-conduct-2020-election-audit-satur/)** > > Bonner, where Donald Trump bested President Joe Biden by more than 10,000 votes in November 2020 on his way to carrying the state of Idaho's four Electoral College votes, is the third Gem State county to receive a hand recount. The Idaho Secretary of... ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/129 "2021-10-01T14:36:11Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > Do any of you know that all of our developed world allies BANNED mail in voting years ago because they learned the hard way that it encourages massive cheating? That’s funny, because in our recent 2021 federal election, any Canadian could vote by mail. You’re wrong. But you won’t care that you’re wrong will you? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/130 "2021-10-01T14:44:24Z")
Of course he doesn’t care that he is totally and completely wrong about everything. He is on a mission from CFSG. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/131 "2021-10-01T14:49:57Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Idaho has done a couple county recounts due to the mypillow guy. Seems like everyone of them ends up with Biden gaining votes. That’s the thing. I question their basic competency, so I question findings Biden actually had a few more votes than were originally counted, even if I don’t question the idea that it doesn’t change the overall result. That’s especially the case for Cyber Ninjas, who have shown themselves to be so out of their depth that it would not have shocked me if they found that Ralph Nader had actually carried Maricopa County. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/132 "2021-10-01T15:06:04Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > Do any of you know that all of our developed world allies BANNED mail in voting years ago because they learned the hard way that it encourages massive cheating? I knew about voting by mail in Canada, but just did a quick search for other countries. This took me 30 seconds: Postal voting is common in Germany, with 29% of the electorate voting by post in the 2017 general election Finland introduced vote by post in 2019 Austria enabled postal voting in 2007 At the 2016 Australian federal election there were 1.2 million postal votes cast, amounting to 8.5 percent of total votes. Since 2001 Italian citizens living abroad have the right to vote by mail in all referendums and national elections Absentee voting in the United Kingdom is allowed by proxy or post (known as postal voting on demand for any elector Swiss federal law allows postal voting in all federal elections and referenda. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/133 "2021-10-01T15:08:31Z")
It’s a new month. This requires an update: [![](https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/upload/f_auto,t_single-media-image-desktop@2/v1631632243/255355_768_rgb.jpg) ](https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/upload/f_auto,t_single-media-image-desktop@2/v1631632243/255355_768_rgb.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/134 "2021-10-01T15:19:05Z")
I had been a libertarian, with and without a capital ‘L’, my entire voting life, very proud of the fact that in 1972 I was registered to vote in Virginia, one of the states in which John Hospers and Tonie Nathan were running as write-in candidates. Further, thanks to a [faithless Electoral College voter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_MacBride#1972_electoral_vote) who got pissed off at Nixon, Nathan became the first woman to receive an EC vote, years ahead of Geraldine Ferraro. I was active in the California Libertarian Party from 1981 until 1992 when my wife died and I became too depressed to do much of anything but I still voted for the Libertarian candidate for any office where one was offered up. All that changed when Trump was elected. I did not vote for Clinton but – like most people – was surprised when I woke up that Wednesday morning to find Trump had been elected. Prior to the election campaign I had not bumped into Trump much. I don’t deal in NYC real estate and never watched _The Apprentice_ – “reality” TV is not my cuppa. I thought to myself, _He doesn’t know much about being President but then again, who does. He’s smart. He’ll surround himself with people who **do** know how things work and the Republic will go on._ That hope was dashed the second day after he was inaugurated when he was claiming the largest inauguration _evah!_ when photos clearly showed it was not. No big deal – except he kept making it one, whining like a petulant two-year old when this was pointed out to him. I grew more and more impatient with his antics until about a month later I started a [_No more Trump_](https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20210120T12&p0=263&msg=No+more+Trump&font=cursive) clock, counting the time down until January 20, 2020. As time went by it became more and more obvious that Trump liked the trappings of being President but had no interest in Presidentin’ as a job. About eighteen months later I said on this board, and elsewhere, that as a Libertarian I could not be enthusiastic about any President who had been elected in my lifetime but however much I might disagree – at times vehemently – with his policies, up until Trump I had not the slightest doubt that however misguided he might be, he had the interests of this nation at heart. With Trump I had the impression it was all about his ego and grifting. In 2018 I changed my registration from Libertarian to Independent. In Arizona Independent voters can choose any party’s ballot in a primary election. This board does have a liberal bias. I have been castigated several times for being Republican-lite until I pointed out my political heroes were Lysander Spooner and Emma Goldman, not Adam Smith and Ayn Rand. More than a liberal bias though, this board has a bias for facts, verifiable, demonstrable facts. You said in your post, > [@dolfinwriter](#): > > Third, no one HAS to prove that Trump won or even that there was cheating. IN FACT, if they set out to PROVE that Trump won, then I would also question their integrity and their objectivity. > … > The burden of proof, by law, is on the elections officials of each state to prove that their election was honest and that the count of every legal vote and ONLY legal votes was reliable. The election officials met your burden of proof when they certified the elections in their respective states. While I was never involved at the state level, during my activist stint I observed the counting of the vote in my county several times. The overwhelming sense I got from everyone involved – the election officials and their staffs, the volunteers handling the ballots, and the observers of every party – was that it was a sacred duty and above all else, the count was to be as fair and honest. To say that this election was otherwise is disingenuous at best. There were too many eyes watching. Between the election and the EC count in Washington, Trump’s team of lawyers brought more than sixty suits before a number of courts, state and federal. In no case was fraud proven and in fact, in several cases when asked directly by a judge whether they were alleging fraud, when making such a statement would have consequences could have consequences, the lawyers backed down and said they were not claiming fraud after all. If you think the election was stolen you have swallowed the [Big Lie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie#Trump's_false_claim_of_a_stolen_election). ---
**Author:** ![dolfinwriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@dolfinwriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolfinwriter)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/135 "2021-10-01T15:55:39Z")
Yep. You are all correct and I am all wrong. Except for two things. One–This board is not “Straight Dope”, and it doesn’t just have a liberal bias. This really is just a left wing echo chamber where none of you want to hear anything that disagrees with your fed-to-you-by-the-fake-news understanding of things and preconceived notions that allows you to give them a shred of credibility. And two. The big lie is that the election was honest. If you had open minds, eyes and ears, you would have seen that on election night the instant that Brian Williams cut Trump off. He was SCARED, and they should ALL be scared because Trump would have won so “bigly” that they had to cheat on a galactic scale, and that created statistical anomalies that are impossible to explain any other way. You will all see that soon enough when your heroes start taking those perp walks for election fraud, tampering with evidence, conspiracy, in some cases treason, and I don’t even know what else. I’m not going to argue that or debate it with you. That is really the fact and none of you are willing to entertain any thoughts or information to the contrary. You can stop replying here because I’m not coming back. I thought maybe there might be some people here with open minds, but this has turned out to be a complete waste of my time. ---
**Author:** ![dolfinwriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@dolfinwriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolfinwriter)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/136 "2021-10-01T15:59:48Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > For clarity, are you making claims other than the above? > > Are you claiming, for instance, that > > - votes switched from Trump to Biden ? > - fake votes for Biden were added to the count ? > - real votes for Trump excluded from the count ? > - other ? All the above. I’m not just making the claims. They have no been proven in both Antrim Co. Michigan and Maricopa Co. Arizona. Good luck with all this. I’m done here. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/137 "2021-10-01T16:00:11Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > You can stop replying here because I’m not coming back. I thought maybe there might be some people here with open minds, but this has turned out to be a complete waste of my time. Please come back and gloat when our heroes start taking those perp walks for election fraud, tampering with evidence, conspiracy, in come cases treason. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/138 "2021-10-01T16:00:12Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > You will all see that soon enough when your heroes start taking those perp walks for election fraud, tampering with evidence, conspiracy, in some cases treason, and I don’t even know what else. I’m not going to argue that or debate it with you. That is really the fact and none of you are willing to entertain any thoughts or information to the contrary. > > You can stop replying here because I’m not coming back. I thought maybe there might be some people here with open minds, but this has turned out to be a complete waste of my time. No, please come back as soon as these things start happening to rub it in our faces! Really, every single time! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/139 "2021-10-01T16:02:46Z")
Oh noes! He’s leaving? How will we ever go on? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/140 "2021-10-01T16:02:56Z")
What’s your cutoff is this doesn’t happen? Will you come back in 6 months if you’re wrong? Or one year? Name the time, and I promise I’ll come back and admit I was wrong if such massive election fraud is proven true, as long as you promise to come back and admit it if it doesn’t happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329.md?page=8)