# Has anyone provided proof the election was stolen? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 25, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329 "2021-09-25T14:00:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/161 "2021-10-01T18:21:48Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > Oh look. Yay for you. I thought you said you were leaving. Was that fake news? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/162 "2021-10-01T18:22:24Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > You can stop replying here because I’m not coming back. I thought maybe there might be some people here with open minds, but this has turned out to be a complete waste of my time. > [@dolfinwriter](#): > > And by the way, don’t quote Fox News to any solid conservative. They turned traitor on election night and they’ve confirmed it a number of times since then. They are now no more reliable than CNN or MSDNC. 2 hours. Didn’t even have time to enter a “Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.” Oh, and as for Fox News, they’ve never been reliable; you’re only noticing it now that they are acting reasonably and not repeating the big lie… as often. > [@dolfinwriter](#): > > Except for two things. One–This board is not “Straight Dope”, and it doesn’t just have a liberal bias. I’ll give you that one - this board has a definite liberal bias. Has nothing to do with the fact that there has been no proof of a stolen election. > [@dolfinwriter](#): > > This really is just a left wing echo chamber where none of you want to hear anything that disagrees with your fed-to-you-by-the-fake-news understanding of things and preconceived notions that allows you to give them a shred of credibility. I’ll even give you the “echo chamber … no one wants to hear anything that disagrees”. Please read that yourself. As soon as you included “fed-to-you-by-the-fake-news”, you are displaying how much YOU don’t want to hear anything that disagrees with your preconceived notions. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/163 "2021-10-01T18:27:13Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I’ve not heard of such a thing. Got a link? Evidently, “they” are a bipartisan election-crisis task force rather than actual politicians from the Democratic Party. And they were countering Trump’s disinformation campaign. > **[The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election](https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/)** > > For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyEcks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnnyecks/32/18197_2.png) [@JohnnyEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnnyEcks)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/164 "2021-10-01T18:32:49Z")
I just read that article, you’ll find it if you google fortify elections. It’s about a bipartisan group of behind the scenes activists working to protect (or fortify) the 2020 election against fraud. I cannot imagine how that turns into admitting fraud, unless you assume everyone interviewed is saying exactly the opposite of what they mean. Perhaps dolfinwriter could explain. I for one am glad dolfinwriter is here. While I disagree with them, it’s nice to know what is going on in the pro-Trump echo chamber. A suggestion- dolfinwriter, if there is election fraud, what is the single best piece of evidence for it? If it’s so pervasive a single solid example should be easy to find. Tell us what the mainstream media won’t, so we can judge the evidence ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/165 "2021-10-01T18:42:11Z")
Would you make all these same arguments and claims if the following were true - Every single claim/fact pattern were the same except that Trump won and Biden lost and Biden was the one making these claims? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/166 "2021-10-01T18:43:29Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > I just have one question for all of you and then I’m done here because we are in the middle of a move halfway across the country, and I don’t have time to educate all of you. > [@dolfinwriter](#): > > You can stop replying here because I’m not coming back. > [@dolfinwriter](#): > > I’m done here. > [@dolfinwriter](#): > > Oh look. Here’s a little ditty for you… [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rW9-FOLG-iA/hqdefault.jpg "Dan Hicks and his Hot licks-How Can I Miss You When You Won't Go Away") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW9-FOLG-iA) ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/167 "2021-10-01T18:56:34Z")
Since your description about the Time Magazine has been shown to be a lie (the Trump campaign also had their own legal mechanism working well in advance of the election for the same purpose), I’m curious why it is so difficult for you to dare contemplate that Donald Trump was not a popular person. Here is a man who the first time he ran carried a crucial swing state (Wisconsin) despite getting fewer votes in the state than Mitt Romney in 2012. Romney lost Wisconsin. So Trump underperformed him but got away with it because Hillary Clinton did much worse from where Barack Obama was. Four years on there was no sense of complacency among Democrats and Trump had a record he had to defend. It was not a good one. Incidentally Romney got a higher national percentage share of the popular vote than Trump did in two attempts. Given Romney was up against a much better, popular and iconic opponent than either Clinton or Joe Biden that just shows how bad Trump is. Beyond that, there have been hand recounts and recounts of the recound instigated by the Trump campaign in the aftermath of the election that only delivered more votes to Biden. Talk about scoring an own goal! And finally in one of your previous posts you asserted William Barr a traitor. A man who was hired because he was a Trump lackey and who operated as one in office. If that is a traitor to your cause you are a deranged cult member. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/168 "2021-10-01T18:58:33Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > > [@The\_Librarian](#): > > > > You were doing great until this. > > Yeah, that shoe fits pretty tight. How much is Soros paying you? Wait, no one told me that I could get paid for this. What’s the salary? How are the benefits? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/169 "2021-10-01T19:00:41Z")
**Modnote** : OK, you keep saying you won’t come back and then you make more posts. As you are now attacking posters and not their posts. I need to tell you to STOP IT. > [@dolfinwriter](#): > > Yeah, that shoe fits pretty tight. How much is Soros paying you? This is not acceptable at all. Do not do this again. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/170 "2021-10-01T19:02:42Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > Yeah, that shoe fits pretty tight. How much is Soros paying you? Ah, so now it is a Jewish plot. You have claimed that you are through here, but not followed through on that. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/171 "2021-10-01T19:24:24Z")
How come everybody else is getting that sweet Soros money? Where’s _my_ graft? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/172 "2021-10-01T19:33:54Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > Ah, so now it is a Jewish plot. You have claimed that you are through here, but not followed through on that. If I may hijack for a moment, how is it a “Jewish” plot? I understand Soros is Jewish, but usually the “Soros paying you” is just liberal bashing, not a Jewish plot. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/173 "2021-10-01T19:37:06Z")
You get paid for every fraudulent vote you cast. Did you remember to take a picture of it and send it into [sorosvotefraud@defraudthevote.com](mailto:sorosvotefraud@defraudthevote.com)? ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/174 "2021-10-01T19:45:20Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > > [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > > > Ah, so now it is a Jewish plot. You have claimed that you are through here, but not followed through on that. > > If I may hijack for a moment, how is it a “Jewish” plot? I understand Soros is Jewish, but usually the “Soros paying you” is just liberal bashing, not a Jewish plot. It’s rarely stated outright, but the alt-right frequently uses Soros as a stand-in for the venerable global Jewish conspiracy that secretly controls everything. > **[The Troubling Truth About The Obsession With George Soros](https://www.forbes.com/sites/sethcohen/2020/09/12/the-troubling-truth-about-the-obsession-with-george-soros/?sh=66a23b774e2e)** > > Behind the spectacle of paranoid outrage, there is a troubling truth about the constant attacks on George Soros: Anti-Semitism. > **[Why is billionaire George Soros a bogeyman for the hard right?](https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-49584157)** > > He's a Jewish billionaire philanthropist who has given away $32bn. Why does the hard right fear him? ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/175 "2021-10-01T20:03:58Z")
I always just thought it was the the whole “you pick on the Koch Bros, so we gotta have a boogeyman to pick on for your side.” ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/176 "2021-10-01T20:57:27Z")
There’s that, too. Many MAGAts may not even get the Jewish conspiracy subcontext. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/177 "2021-10-01T21:26:54Z")
That paper towel guy that was banned used to pull the “I’m leaving because I have a life, unlike you losers” thing and then he’d be right back several times before he’d finally call it a night. He did that all the time, so I always think of him when people pull that sort of thing. I don’t like thinking of him. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/178 "2021-10-01T21:42:12Z")
Algorithms, people, algorithms. Wait. Algorithms. Al-Gore-Rithms. By god, they’ve got us dead to rights! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/179 "2021-10-01T21:51:23Z")
Are you kidding? Al Gore appears to be entirely lacking any sense of rhythm. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329/180 "2021-10-01T22:03:51Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Al Gore appears to be entirely lacking any sense of rhythm. Though he is remarkably life-like. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-anyone-provided-proof-the-election-was-stolen/951329.md?page=10)