# Has Michael Moore fallen off the edge? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2004, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700 "2004-11-08T19:31:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kel\_Varnsen\_Latex\_Division](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@Kel\_Varnsen\_Latex\_Division](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kel_Varnsen_Latex_Division)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/1 "2004-11-08T19:31:57Z")
I just saw Michael Moore’s website for the first time after the election. Has he lost his mind? The United States of Canada and Jesusland? What is wrong with this guy? > **[Michael Moore | Substack](https://www.michaelmoore.com/)** > > Writer. Filmmaker. Podcaster. Eagle Scout. Citizen. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/2 "2004-11-08T19:36:55Z")
If he has, several others have as well- that image is making the web rounds quite effectively. I also think it’s satire more than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/3 "2004-11-08T19:37:39Z")
I’m not sure we’d keep the “United States” bit. Pretty map though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/4 "2004-11-08T19:39:09Z")
I still feel sorry for the poor chicken, having to cross that big road all by himself… huh? whadaya mean, “joke?” ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/5 "2004-11-08T19:39:52Z")
What are you saying? Do you not get the joke? Pretty much every blog and major news network are playing up the redstate/bluestate divide this week, so it’s not like MM is “on the edge” on this one. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/6 "2004-11-08T19:50:53Z")
I don’t think he’s off target. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/7 "2004-11-08T19:54:10Z")
What edge was Michael Moore on? Unless you mean that his very loud and liberal views call his sanity into question, which I don’t think they do. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/8 "2004-11-08T20:02:05Z")
Not that it’s surprising, but Moore is using a stolen image. Apparently, he cropped or painted over G Webb’s [notice](http://idisk.mac.com/glwebb-public/new_map.jpg): “Newspapers stop ripping this off”. Of course, we might expect Moore to argue that he is not a newspaper and that therefore he may rip off as he pleases. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/9 "2004-11-08T20:16:00Z")
Oh, no! Not Michael Moore! But he is our shining paragon of truth! Why, if he is discredited, our entire argument falls to dust, because he embodies everything we hold dear, the entire framework of liberal agenda will come unglued if someone should prove him unreliable! God, what next! Will Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog be unmasked on _Hannity and His Bitch_? John Stewart revealed to be a liberal Jew? Woe! Woe! We are undone! You guys crack me up! ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/10 "2004-11-08T20:24:25Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Not that it’s surprising, but Moore is using a stolen image. Apparently, he cropped or painted over G Webb’s [notice](http://idisk.mac.com/glwebb-public/new_map.jpg): “Newspapers stop ripping this off”. Of course, we might expect Moore to argue that he is not a newspaper and that therefore he may rip off as he pleases. Considering that the link you give explicity asks people to “Please copy, don’t link” and it is a fact that Michael Moore is not running a newspaper, then it is clear that he is using it as the G Webb intended and gave permission. Don’t be so mendacious. It doesn’t become you. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/11 "2004-11-08T20:26:28Z")
I must have missed the memo where Michael Moore was exempt from sharing jokes, humorous images, and whatever things tickle his fancy on his web site. ---
**Author:** ![Abbie\_Carmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Abbie\_Carmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abbie_Carmichael)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/12 "2004-11-08T20:30:12Z")
Fallen? Darlin’, he’s BEEN off the edge. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/13 "2004-11-08T20:30:35Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Considering that the link you give explicity asks people to “Please copy, don’t link” and it is a fact that Michael Moore is not running a newspaper, then it is clear that he is using it as the G Webb intended and gave permission. Don’t be so mendacious. It doesn’t become you. Somehow, I doubt the sincerity of your implication of concern over my becomeness. At any rate, it appears to me that the owner is asking **news sources** not to link OR steal, but rather to make their own copies, put them on their own servers, and credit him — unless you have some insider information that Mr. Webb is operating outside the ordinary practices of creative artists all around the world. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/14 "2004-11-08T20:32:07Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > I must have missed the memo where Michael Moore was exempt from sharing jokes, humorous images, and whatever things tickle his fancy on his web site. So, if it tickled his fancy to copy and use the Straight Dope logo, it wouldn’t bother you? I bet it’d bother the Chicagor Reader. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/15 "2004-11-08T20:37:44Z")
> [@John Corrado](#): > > If he has, several others have as well- that image is making the web rounds quite effectively. > > I also think it’s satire more than anything else. Satire? The Religious Right says they deserve the credit for this win. Moore is just concurring. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/16 "2004-11-08T20:43:53Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Don’t be so mendacious. It doesn’t become you. No, no, of course he’s assembled specific evidence that Moore doesn’t have permission before making this accusation. He’s quite careful not to bear false witness against his neighbor, and would never endanger his integrity by making an accusation before being damn sure he’s got his ducks in a row. He’s reliable like that :). Daniel ---
**Author:** ![The\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Truth)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/17 "2004-11-08T20:46:47Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Not that it’s surprising, but Moore is using a stolen image. Apparently, he cropped or painted over G Webb’s [notice](http://idisk.mac.com/glwebb-public/new_map.jpg): “Newspapers stop ripping this off”. Of course, we might expect Moore to argue that he is not a newspaper and that therefore he may rip off as he pleases. Interesting. It wouldn’t be the first time Michael Moore has manipulated/fabricated pictures for his own motives, following in the footsteps of various Nazi-propagandists. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/18 "2004-11-08T20:52:13Z")
I’m unclear whether or not this Webb guy expects credit for the graphic. I would think that he would, but I don’t know. (The fact that he’s put his name on the original graphic might indicate that he would like credit—but I don’t know.) I think it would have been better had Moore credited him. It seems a little odd that he did not. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/19 "2004-11-08T20:52:29Z")
> [@The Truth](#): > > Interesting. It wouldn’t be the first time Michael Moore has manipulated/fabricated pictures for his own motives, following in the footsteps of various Nazi-propagandists. . . . the fuck? ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/20 "2004-11-08T20:53:08Z")
and now you can point out where he has manipulated or fabricated an image which quite clearly has been distributed for copying. You gobshite. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700.md?page=2)