# Has Michael Moore fallen off the edge? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2004, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700 "2004-11-08T19:31:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/141 "2004-11-11T00:54:54Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > [H]ad Saddam caught wind of an al-Queda conspiracy to attack the US, he would have ratted them out. On the QT, of course, wouldn’t do to be caught helping the Great Satan…A successful al-Q attack on the US held no advantages for Saddam…it diminished his standing in the Arab world by presenting another figure for veneration. Accepting your hypothetical scenario, Saddam could always have intended to capitalise on the situation by claiming he masterminded it, thus guaranteeing himself the veneration of many Arabs, and other Muslims. Another (more plausible?) reason for not ratting al-Q out, had he and his extensive security and intelligence apparatus known in advance of plans for an attack, would be that he simply wanted to see which way the wind would blow subsequent to the attack. Not to mention that he wanted to see if it was carried out successfully or not. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/142 "2004-11-11T06:43:05Z")
Hey, if we’re going to stat overthrowing world leaders who may have known about the 9/11 attacks but did nothing to prevent them, then [George W. Bush](http://slate.msn.com/id/2098861/) should be at the top of that list. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/143 "2004-11-11T14:22:45Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Hey, if we’re going to stat overthrowing world leaders Stat overthrowing world leaders, starting with Bush? Hmm…I’ll give it a try. George W. Bush Ari20 S10 D10 C8 (remember the pretzel) I12 W8 Ch22 Anyone want to help with feats, skills, etc.? Danil ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/144 "2004-11-11T14:40:21Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Anyway, Moore’s “implication” didn’t kill anybody. Not literally, no. But arguably, his long train of such abuses killed the Democrats. Republican talking heads on Fox News have called him their best friend in this election. Maybe Moore really wasn’t lying when he said he was “the anti-Democrat”. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/145 "2004-11-11T20:09:39Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Stat overthrowing world leaders, starting with Bush? Hmm…I’ll give it a try. > > George W. Bush > Ari20 > S10 > D10 > C8 (remember the pretzel) > I12 > W8 > Ch22 Eh, for Bush, I think the **Toon** system is more appropriate: # George W. Bush MUSCLE - 3 Break down door - 3 Climb - 3 Fight - 4 Pick up heavy thing - 4 Throw - 4 ZIP - 4 Dodge - 5 Drive vehicle - 4 Fire gun - 5 Jump - 6 Ride - 6 Run - 6 Swim - 5 CHUTZPAH - 6 Fast talk - 8 Pass/detect shoddy goods - 8 Sleight of hand - 6 Sneak - 6 SMARTS - 1 Hide/Spot hidden thing - 1 Identify dangerous thing - 1 Read - 1 Resist fast talk - 5 See/hear/smell - 1 Set/disarm trap - 1 Track/cover tracks - 3 I’ll leave the schticks to someone else… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/146 "2004-11-11T20:12:10Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Eh, for Bush, I think the **Toon** system is more appropriate: So what do we do for Ashcroft? **Paranoia**? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/147 "2004-11-11T20:45:36Z")
I dunno, having _six_ John Ashcrofts running around the place gives me the willies… ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/148 "2004-11-11T21:43:03Z")
Ashc-R-Oft. I like it. But I suppose we could always throw Ashcroft into Call of Cthulhu . . . ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/149 "2004-11-11T21:49:19Z")
> [@andros](#): > > But I suppose we could always throw Ashcroft into Call of Cthulhu . . . Nah, silly, that’s reserved for Cheney. Or–wait, you’re seeing Ashcroft as a cultist trying to bring back the Elder Gods, right? I like it, I like it… Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Roseworm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df788c/32.png) [@Roseworm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roseworm)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/150 "2004-11-11T22:25:13Z")
The Last Word on Michael Moore: [http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/](http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/) ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/151 "2004-11-12T00:33:43Z")
[Hitchins gets bitchslapped](http://www.hollywoodbitchslap.com/feature.php?feature=1150) [Hitchins gets rebutted in eye-numbing detail](http://www.medialens.org/PHPBB2/viewtopic.php?t=676) ---
**Author:** ![Roseworm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df788c/32.png) [@Roseworm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roseworm)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/152 "2004-11-12T02:45:41Z")
To **rjung** : Fisk Hitchens all you like. Not of it changes the fact that Michael Moore is a loathsome monster, wallowing in his own vomit and feeding on his own excrement. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/153 "2004-11-12T02:47:13Z")
Not to mention that the essay is almost [five months old.](http://www.dumbass.com/) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/154 "2004-11-12T02:48:18Z")
> [@Roseworm](#): > > To **rjung** : > > Fisk Hitchens all you like. Not of it changes the fact that Michael Moore is a loathsome monster, wallowing in his own vomit and feeding on his own excrement. And I bet he eats puppies, too. :roll fucking eyes: ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/155 "2004-11-12T02:53:18Z")
> [@Roseworm](#): > > Michael Moore is a loathsome monster, wallowing in his own vomit and feeding on his own excrement. That he can elicit this kind of response from the right wing makes me love him all the more. That alone will prompt me to buy 6 or 7 copies of F911 just so he will keep sticking it to the man. Moore power to ya Mike! ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/156 "2004-11-12T03:19:39Z")
Aw jeez, **Roseworm** , you’re a charter member now, do some searches. You’ll find that the Moore movies have been done and done and done and done and done and done… ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/157 "2004-11-12T06:25:06Z")
> [@Roseworm](#): > > Fisk Hitchens all you like. Not of it changes the fact that Michael Moore is a loathsome monster, wallowing in his own vomit and feeding on his own excrement. Awwwwww, poor **Woseworm,** did I debunk your beloved essay too fast? Did I hurts you widdle-biddy feelings? Is you gonna _cry?_😉 This is the SDMB, kid – passing off reheated glurge like that Hitchens article as an “argument” might work with the dittoheads over at FreeRepublic, but the standards around here are a _tad_ higher… ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/158 "2004-11-12T06:31:55Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Awwwwww, poor **Woseworm,** did I debunk your beloved essay too fast? With all due respects, friend **rjung** , but in (admittedly) skimming over your cites, they appear little more than disagreements or the excuses of Moore apologists. Hardly a “debunking,” in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![rehema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@rehema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rehema)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/159 "2004-11-12T07:11:09Z")
So that map came from Michael Moore? I think it’s brilliant and have seen it being sent around by e-mail. I think there’s a lot of truth to it- I mean, a large part of people who voted for Bush said they did so because of “religion” Not any religion I care to follow! I don’t think Jesus would send anyone to war! But it’s a funny graphic and makes a point > [@Kel Varnsen - Latex Division](#): > > I just saw Michael Moore’s website for the first time after the election. Has he lost his mind? The United States of Canada and Jesusland? What is wrong with this guy? > [http://www.michaelmoore.com/](http://www.michaelmoore.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700/160 "2004-11-12T12:30:36Z")
No, the map did not come from Michael Moore. Is he now decieving people into believing that it is his work? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-michael-moore-fallen-off-the-edge/273700.md?page=9)