# Has Obama spent a million dollars to hide his birth certificate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 9, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877 "2009-08-09T22:44:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/221 "2010-08-02T22:58:29Z")
Susanann A “Certificate of Live Birth” is not a “birth certificate”. Honolulu handed out Certificates of Live Birth like candy on Halloween. obama’s Indonesian-born sister has a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth, the president of China-born Sun Yet Sen has a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Are you going to offer citations for any of this, or are we supposed to take your word for it? Sun Yat Sen died in 1925, so I’m not seeing how that is in any way relevant. \*Sun Yat-sen (12 November 1866 – 12 March 1925) was a Chinese revolutionary and political leader. As the foremost pioneer of Nationalist China, Sun is frequently referred to as the Father of the Nation of Republic of China. S Sun Yat-sen was born on 12 November 1866 to a Hakka family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan (later Zhongshan) county. In March 1904, he obtained a **Certificate of Hawaiian Birth** , issued by the Territory of Hawaii, stating he was born on November 24, 1870 in Kula, Maui.\* > **[Sun Yat-sen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen)** > > Sun Yat-sen\[b\] (/ˈsʊnˈjɑːtˈsɛn/; 12 November 1866 – 12 March 1925) was a Chinese physician, revolutionary, statesman, and political philosopher who founded the Republic of China (ROC) and its first political party, the Kuomintang (KMT). As the paramount leader of the 1911 Revolution, Sun is credited with overthrowing the Qing dynasty and served as the first president of the Provisional Government of the Republic of China (1912) and as the inaugural premier of the Kuomintang. > Born to a peasant ... ---
**Author:** ![Cinebar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Cinebar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinebar)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/222 "2010-08-02T23:01:54Z")
God, I can’t believe people are still debating this. Even Orly’s been quiet about it lately. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/223 "2010-08-02T23:02:16Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Oh, sorry, you’d prefer a certificate of dead birth? You need to ask? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/224 "2010-08-02T23:02:47Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > > [@Lemur866](#): > > > > Where are the airline tickets that prove 18 year old student Ann Dunham hopped on a plane while massively pregnant, traveled to a foreign country, gave birth there, called her parents to tell them to post a birth announcement in the Honolulu paper, then quickly traveled back to Hawaii? > > > > . > > Hospital records are kept forever. > > So are birth certificates. > > Plane tickets and phone records are not kept forever. > > The hospital basement would have all the detail you need for anyone actually born in a Honolulu hospital in 1961. > > Honolulu City Hall would also have a copy of a “ **birth certificate** ” of anyone actually born in Hawaii. > > Besides, you are not making any sense. There would be no reason for Stanley to rush back to Hawaii. Why would Stanley want to rush back to Hawaii at all? There was nothing in Hawaii for Stanley. If I remember right, Stanley went to Washington to go to school after obama’s birth… not to Hawaii. Stanley is the first name of Barry Obama’s grandfather, Stanley Dunham. His mother’s name was Ann Dunham. Why do you think Ann Dunham wasn’t in Hawaii when she gave birth to Obama. Never mind that you believe he doesn’t really have a Hawaiian birth certificate, what evidence is there that she was anywhere else than Hawaii? Your only evidence that she wasn’t in Hawaii is that no one can show you a Hawaiian birth certificate you’re willing to believe. But there’s no other evidence that he wasn’t born in Hawaii, other than you don’t believe the Hawaiian offices when they say they have his birth certificate, you think they must be lying. But why? You say you have no evidence that Ann Dunham was out of the country when Barry was born, right? And you wouldn’t expect to find such evidence, right? So this is an epistemological question: what leads you to such a belief? Is the sole support for your belief that Barry wasn’t born in Hawaii that you don’t believe the evidence that he WAS born in Hawaii? But then you have no good reason to believe he was born anywhere–he could have been born in Nebraska just as easily as Kenya. So why was Ann Dunham ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/225 "2010-08-02T23:03:33Z")
Hawaii was not a state in 1904, so how is it relevant? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/226 "2010-08-02T23:06:56Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Stanley is the first name of Barry Obama’s grandfather, Stanley Dunham. His mother’s name was Ann Dunham. His mother’s name was also Stanley. Ann was her midle name, and that’s what everyone actually called her, but her name was Stanley Ann Dunham. The Snopes article above ebven quotes the doctor who delivered Barack as joking about how it wasn’t every day that you saw a Stanley give birth to a baby. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/227 "2010-08-02T23:11:00Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > S > > > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > > Are you going to offer citations for any of this, or are we supposed to take your word for it? Sun Yat Sen died in 1925, so I’m not seeing how that is in any way relevant. > > \*Sun Yat-sen (12 November 1866 – 12 March 1925) was a Chinese revolutionary and political leader. As the foremost pioneer of Nationalist China, Sun is frequently referred to as the Father of the Nation of Republic of China. S > Sun Yat-sen was born on 12 November 1866 to a Hakka family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan (later Zhongshan) county. > > In March 1904, he obtained a **Certificate of Hawaiian Birth** , issued by the Territory of Hawaii, stating he was born on November 24, 1870 in Kula, Maui.\* > > [Sun Yat-sen - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen) Yes. Thank you for confirming that Sun Yat Sen died in 1925, which I pointed out in the post you quoted. You claimed that Honolulu handed out birth certificates like candy in 1961. Sun Yat Sen’s birth certificate says he was born in… Kula, Maui. In 1925. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/228 "2010-08-02T23:26:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Obama has brought this high standard of suspicion on to himself. He could have gone to Hawaii, brought out the document, put it before the press and/or had a professional unbiased examiner take a look at it, and NONE of this would have happened. Actually, if he had brought out the document and put it before the press, all of this would have happened in exactly the same way. How do I know this? Because he did, in fact, bring out the document and put it before the press. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/229 "2010-08-02T23:28:46Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Yes. Thank you for confirming that Sun Yat Sen died in 1925, which I pointed out in the post you quoted. > > You claimed that Honolulu handed out birth certificates like candy in 1961. Sun Yat Sen’s birth certificate says he was born in… Kula, Maui. In 1925. This should say “and he died in 1925”. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/230 "2010-08-02T23:37:50Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Susanann > A “Certificate of Live Birth” is not a “birth certificate”. God damn it, my replacement birth certificate, which I ordered from the Pennsylvania vital statistics office since I lost the original, looks exactly like Obama’s. That’s what they look like nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/231 "2010-08-02T23:50:55Z")
Mine says “Birth Certification” not “Birth Certificate” - so, clearly faked. I wonder who I am? I bet I’m the real Barak Obama!!! I bet the bastard’s stole my original birth certificate and has been using it all these years and he can’t produce it because it would demonstrate that he’s really a 42 year old white woman!! (Also, it says it’s not valid unless it has an embossed city seal on, which it does not. Hm. I only just noticed, lol. How can that be, since hospitals never make mistakes and always keep all of their records, in pristine condition, forever and ever, amen?) ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/232 "2010-08-02T23:59:15Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > Perhaps you can answer a question that I am not able to find. Who is qualified to bring court suit against a person, or an organization as the Democratic Party, running for president that has doubtful born citizenship? The courts do not seem to know, or the judge is playing stupid or not willing to start a black riot, so maybe you can find out. > > > > Don > > I’m a lawyer and I’ve been following this business from the beginning, and all I can tell you is, no one seems to know. There are no relevant statutes or constitutional provisions as to who would have such standing. Nor is there any precedent for challenging the native-citizenship status of a POTUS or presidential candidate. Thank you for the answer and verification—there is no legal precedence and no judge wants to take on the political fall out, civil riots, and possibly being assonated by angry blacks. So of course the easy way out is to say YOU (ALL… under the breath) do not have legal standing, and be correct. Also to clear up another point as to attorney fees. In my state they do not work cheap, and for high powered cases the price goes up 100 fold as the entire law firm is hired and the clock never stops running 24/7— or the most that the law will award to force payment. I bet you are looking at around 50-70 grand per case if not more, just to start the paper work. It is NOT a matter of ignoring the suit. A response must be filed or you are dead in the water. I hold my ground that Obama has spent at least a million bucks in his legal defense. Here is one court case, read it all here. So tell me, this federal court even goes as far as saying the case is out of their jurisdiction—now how can that be? What court can hear the case? As you cannot go directly to the US Supreme Court, and even still the Supreme Court can refuse to hear the case. So how in hell can justice be done in this matter!!! To what higher authority can the USA people apply to? A democratic congress I think not. Maybe if we get down on our knees and promise Obama some lurid behavior he will grace us with his honesty— yep it is Bush’s fault you can bet will l be his answer to everything. [http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/keyes-barnett-v-obama-gov-motion-to-dismiss/](http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/keyes-barnett-v-obama-gov-motion-to-dismiss/) UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN DIVISION CAPTAIN PAMELA BARNETT, et al., Plaintiffs, v. BARACK H. OBAMA, et al. Defendants. No. SACV 09-00082 DOC (ANx) DATE: October 5, 2009 TIME: 8:30 a.m. CTRM: 9D Hon. David O. Carter (1) NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION TO DISMISS; AND (2) MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT OF MOTION NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION TO DISMISS PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that on October 5, 2009 at 8:30 a.m., defendants Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates and Joseph Biden will bring on for hearing the within Motion to Dismiss, before the Honorable David O. Carter, in his courtroom located at 411 West Fourth Street, Santa Ana, California 92701. Defendants, by and through undersigned counsel, hereby move this Court pursuant to Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) for an order dismissing plaintiffs’ action against them with prejudice. This motion is made on the ground that this Court lacks subject matter jurisdiction over Plaintiffs’ claims against Defendants, and on the further ground that, as to certain claims and Defendants, Plaintiffs fail to state claims upon which this Court may grant relief. Further, with respect to any and all claims or causes of action alleged herein under the Freedom of Information Act, this Court should also dismiss said claims pursuant to Federal Rules of Civil of Civil Procedure 12(b)(3), on the additional ground that venue does not properly lie as to said claims in this District. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/233 "2010-08-03T00:19:54Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > I never said obama’s mother denounced his US citizenship, but the question remains can a person with duel citizenship be president? America does not care about dual citizenship. It only cares about American citizenship. It could give a rat’s ass what some other country thinks of a person. Would you have Surinam suddenly declare Ronald Reagan a citizen, and make him ineligible to be president? Or if Russia were to declare Nixon, Carter, and GWHB all citizens? Seems like it’d be a simple trick for them to do to screw with our elections. You sound like a tax protestor yelling about the fringe on the flag, Don. Stop pretending that you’ve found some magic words. Cause you havn’t. Things don’t work that way. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/234 "2010-08-03T00:25:46Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > 1. obama was **not** born in Hawaii > > 2. Obama’s father was \*\*not \*\*an American citizen, but rather, his father was a British citizen which prevented obama from being an American > > 3. Obama’s mother did not reside in the USA long enough to give American citizenship to her baby susanann, I have to ask you. Has there been a conspiracy since at least 1967, that involved the entire State Department of the United States of America, to make Barack Obama president? We have an authoritative note from 1967 that says the State Department is sure Barack Obama was born in the Hawaii and is a citizen. (This has to do with the second marriage of his mother.) If this were not true, why would they say it? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/235 "2010-08-03T00:30:14Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Right, according to the rules at the time, he would not be a citizen if born in Kenya to Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr, becausse the law required one parent to have been resident in the US for at least 5 years after 14 years of age, and Ann Dunham was 3 months from her 19th birthday. Therefore when Barry was born she had only resided in the United states for 4 years and 9 months after she turned 14. > > But again, where’s the evidence that he was born outside the United States? Where are the airline tickets that prove 18 year old student Ann Dunham hopped on a plane while massively pregnant, traveled to a foreign country, gave birth there, called her parents to tell them to post a birth announcement in the Honolulu paper, then quickly traveled back to Hawaii? I should point out that Ms. Dunham had no passport at the time, not having one till 1965. Mr. Obama was born in 1961. (His birthday’s Wednesday! Happy birthday, Mr. President!) So she would have had to travel outside the country without a passport. We have her paperwork, we have proof. ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/236 "2010-08-03T00:30:45Z")
> [@Cinebar](#): > > I was born in Hawaii in 1954, a few years before President Obama. > > Last year I got in a rather heated debate about this issue on another forum so I decided to order a new (replacement) birth certificate (I actually do still have the original - a rather primitive document, to say the least). > > And, this is what mine (the replacement) has on it: > > ``` > Certificate of Live Birth (across the top center) > > ``` > > State of Hawaii Certificate number > Department of Health > > State of Hawaii seal (in the middle between the certificate number and the other things mentioned in the upper left corner) > > Child’s name (along the left border) > > Date of birth Hour of birth Sex > > City, town or location of birth Island of birth > > Mother’s maiden name > > Mother’s race > > Father’s name > > Father’s race > > Date filed by registrar > And, on the bottom, it says “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” > > No doctors, hospitals, or any of that crap is on my birth certificate…issued from the State of Hawaii. > > The form was revised in 10/08, after Obama’s birth certificate was plastered all over the net so there are a few minor changes in the form (I can’t remember exactly what they are). And, no, that doesn’t prove a conspiracy - state agencies change forms all the time. I should know - I used to work as a secretary for a state agency. > > But, you know what? None of the obvious proof matters. The crazies will try to twist the words around that “certificate of live birth” is not the same as “birth certificate”…blah, blah, blah. Well, mine says “certificate of live birth” and it also states it is a legal document, binding in any court proceeding. > > So, there. In the case I quoted above why wasn’t the copy shown to the judge and the case dismissed on the examined evidence? In fact the copy of live birth was not even presented, but rather it was pleaded the plaintiff does not have standing and the federal court does not have jurisdiction, and the case dismissed. Go figure that out and you get a prize. So much for your evidence being binding by a court as it did not happen. Of course, as confirmed, NO one has standing, and NO court has jurisdiction save the Supreme Court that will not touch the matter. Now you wonder why there is conspiracy running all over the nation, and the talk will not end. Because of obama’s refusal to honestly end this matter, in an up front play, he will never get my vote. Just the way of life. I would say the same thing about white man so live with it. Don ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/237 "2010-08-03T00:35:28Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > …assonated by angry blacks. I hate when that happens. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/238 "2010-08-03T00:39:38Z")
Over 200 posts and a new live wire, and I’ve missed so much of it. Welcome to the Dope, **Don123**. ---
**Author:** ![Cinebar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Cinebar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinebar)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/239 "2010-08-03T00:44:53Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > Because of obama’s refusal to honestly end this matter, in an up front play, he will never get my vote. Just the way of life. I would say the same thing about white man so live with it. > > Don I’m pretty sure I know you from another forum. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/240 "2010-08-03T00:45:16Z")
Don, you know anything about Civics and American History? You know this guy named George Washington? Father of our Country? Great and good man, Mr. Washington. For more reasons than you can possibly imagine. Now, he and the rest of the Founding Fathers formed the first government formed by the great Constitution of the United States of America. And one of the things they worked out was how the courts were going to work. And one of the things they did involved the first Supreme Court. You know, led by John Jay. Now, one day in 1790, Alexander Hamilton… you’ve heard of him, right? Asked Mr. Jay if he would give his opinion on the constitutionality of legislation involving the US assuming the debts of the states. What Mr. Jay said was, the Court’s business was only involving actual cases it had a right to hold before it, not over things it did not have any business mucking in, like potential legislation. This is what standing and jurisdiction is. (I’m simplifying here.) Does the Court have a right to cover the case? Do the people before the Court have any involvement in it at all? In this case, the Court you’re talking about has no ability to control the Federal Government as a whole, and it makes no sense for it to try to order the tides to stay back. Old King Canute made the same point once. So, what I’m saying is, if the court doesn’t have jurisdiction, and the people in front of it don’t have standing, it’s like me suing you over what Sally did. You don’t even know Sally. What sense does it make for me to sue you over her? You’d think someone who cared about this country would learn a little about how it works. Cause what you’re howling about is pretty much the Russian way of doing things. Commissar doesn’t like something? Bang! Dead. Doesn’t matter if it’s someone under his jurisdiction or not. Much simpler way of doing things. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877.md?page=13)