# Has Obama spent a million dollars to hide his birth certificate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 9, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877 "2009-08-09T22:44:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/461 "2010-08-04T18:54:32Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > Here are the types of registrations that were state law at the time. > > We don’t know that these were state law. You’ve been asked to show that they were, but at this point all you have is a copy and paste of a blog post. > > > [@](#): > > > > Only BC1 requires the child to be physically inspected and examined. > > And assuming this stuff _was_ state law, we have no reason to believe the examination was not done. Marly, I have done as you requested. You should know. What evidance do you require? Don ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/462 "2010-08-04T19:01:08Z")
This goes for everybody: considering this thread is probably a waste of time to begin with, I will shut it down if the insults continue. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/463 "2010-08-04T19:04:37Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > Marly, I have done as you requested. You should know. What evidance do you require? I want to see that these laws were actually on the books in Hawaii. We showed you the actual birth certificate law (the one you didn’t mention was passed in 1982) on a Hawaii state webpage. You’re showing us an unsourced statement on a blog, and I’m asking for proof it’s genuine. People have certainly made up ridiculous garbage about Obama before, including a goofy fake Kenyan birth certificate. After you prove that law is genuine, maybe you could get around to showing it means what you say it means, and then you can post the evidence that the Obamas were not in Honolulu at the time he was born- because who cares what they could have done when the evidence says they were in Hawaii at the time anyway? ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/464 "2010-08-04T19:07:29Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > > [@CannyDan](#): > > > > OK, c’mon….. > > I’m a little confused here, I never made the claim I wrote the article. For clarity I did not write the article. > > I do see you are upset and do not have a valid response so you go after host site. > Let me help you out—go look up these references and get back to me. Confused, yes indeed, you are confused. You wrote/copied in a way that made it appear you were posting your own words. Your inability to either use the QUOTE tool or otherwise indicate quotations is only one of your failures. I’m not in the least upset though. Not one jot or tittle of the nonsense you have spouted could disturb my equanimity. I’m serene in the knowledge that nonsense is nonsense. And I’m having quite a happy time with all the point-and-laugh opportunities. So please, keep it up. > [@Don123](#): > > BC1. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961). > BC2. \ > But GOD forbid you should look up state laws and learn something! Shit, that would take brain work, when insults are so much easier and fun….ha ha ha > > Don These aren’t cites, and repeating them as you do does not constitute research. Hell, I could title a page “Section 57-8 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act” and write any damn thing I want onto it. Wouldn’t make it a citation of Hawaii state law. > [@Marley23](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > I do see you are upset and do not have a valid response so you go after host site. > > Let me help you out—go look up these references and get back to me. > > **Don123** , you are the one asserting they are valid. Shouldn’t you be the one to prove they are what you say they are? I see that text has made the rounds on Birther blogs. I do not see a single link to a state of Hawaii website showing it is an accurate representation of a law. > > > [@](#): > > > > But GOD forbid you should look up state laws and learn something! Shit, that would take brain work, when insults are so much easier and fun….ha ha ha > > You’ve got no grounds for saying this when you’re the one who screwed up your original cite in the first place. Other people looked up the law and learned it was passed in 1982. You had no idea. And what **Marley23** said. 😃 > [@Hakuna\_Matata](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > Let me help you out—go look up these references and get back to me. > > BC1. \ > > > > Don > > Don > I am willing to study them–please provide a link. I assume given your confidence that you have access to them? If so, please provide me a link so that I can have the same level of confidence. You have read the links right? Right? I mean to be all righteous like you are above certainly implies that. > > I haven’t insulted you..yet. I rarely insult people in reality, here or in real life. But I do hold people and their facts accountable. I have just asked for citations. Please provide them for the third time or stop claiming they are facts. And what \*\* Hakuna Matata\*\* said. Oh, again, please keep up the entertainment though. There aren’t enough opportunities in life for good old fashioned belly laughs, especially belly laughs at the expense of a self avowed racist, so I believe I can speak for pretty much all of us here when I say “Keep up the great work!”. ETA-- Oh crap **Marlee** , I’m sorry, just saw the cautionary post. You want I should delete this whole thing? I didn’t think it too insulting, given what has gone before. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/465 "2010-08-04T19:10:32Z")
If some of you would remove your tongue from Obama’s ass a moment, you might just get enough light to see that if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Republican’s - forgive the ridiculous suggestion! - you would likely be reacting in a similar way. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/466 "2010-08-04T19:13:11Z")
I am neither favorable nor unfavorable to Obama. I initially liked him, and my position has since mellowed to neutrality. In any case, you are utterly, demonstrably wrong. At the very least, we would have let the whole thing drop if the Democratic Governor of Hawaii told us that she’d seen Hypothetical Hawaiian Republican’s birth certificate and that he was born in Hawaii. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/467 "2010-08-04T19:15:49Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > If some of you would remove your tongue from Obama’s ass a moment, you might just get enough light to see that if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Republican’s - forgive the ridiculous suggestion! - you would likely be reacting in a similar way. That’s not a reason to do something-that’s a childish excuse for when you get _caught_ doing something. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/468 "2010-08-04T19:16:18Z")
@ **RNATB** Why? Because she’s a Democrat and she wouldn’t defend a Republican? Are you really that naive? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/469 "2010-08-04T19:17:36Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > If some of you would remove your tongue from Obama’s ass a moment, you might just get enough light to see that if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Republican’s - forgive the ridiculous suggestion! - you would likely be reacting in a similar way. How much noise was made over McCain’s birth questions? Some where around zero . ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/470 "2010-08-04T19:18:05Z")
This no doubt explains why 9/11 Truthers are held in such high esteem on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/471 "2010-08-04T19:18:51Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > If some of you would remove your tongue from Obama’s ass a moment, you might just get enough light to see that if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Republican’s - forgive the ridiculous suggestion! - you would likely be reacting in a similar way. You’re not in the Pit, **ivan astikov**. Knock it off. If you want to attempt an argument, do it without the childish comments. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/472 "2010-08-04T19:20:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > > If some of you would remove your tongue from Obama’s ass a moment, you might just get enough light to see that if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Republican’s - forgive the ridiculous suggestion! - you would likely be reacting in a similar way. > > That’s not a reason to do something-that’s a childish excuse for when you get _caught_ doing something. Never said anything about it being a good reason; only that it is natural from their pov. Unless you want to make the blanket statement that EVERYONE who has even the slightest doubt is either a crackpot or a shit-stirrer? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/473 "2010-08-04T19:20:24Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > @ **RNATB** > > Why? Because she’s a Democrat and she wouldn’t defend a Republican? Are you really that naive? Because she’s the person ultimately responsible for establishing whether or not HHR was actually born in Hawaii, and the fact that she’s a Democrat makes it highly unlikely that she would lie for partisan reasons. > [@](#): > > Never said anything about it being a good reason; only that it is natural from their pov. Unless you want to make the blanket statement that EVERYONE who has even the slightest doubt is either a crackpot or a shit-stirrer? Orly Taitz and Jerome Corsi are certainly a crackpot and a shit-stirrer, respectively. I assume that most people who aren’t sure are simply unfamiliar with Snopes, Politifact and [FactCheck.org](http://FactCheck.org). ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/474 "2010-08-04T19:21:48Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > > If some of you would remove your tongue from Obama’s ass a moment, you might just get enough light to see that if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Republican’s - forgive the ridiculous suggestion! - you would likely be reacting in a similar way. > > You’re not in the Pit, **ivan astikov**. Knock it off. If you want to attempt an argument, do it without the childish comments. It’s called “straight-talkin’” where I come from. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/475 "2010-08-04T19:23:15Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > It’s called “straight-talkin’” where I come from. And where I come from it’s called insulting and moronic. If you want to tell people they have their tongues in Barack Obama’s ass because they disagree with you, do it in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/476 "2010-08-04T19:23:30Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > > @ **RNATB** > > > > Why? Because she’s a Democrat and she wouldn’t defend a Republican? Are you really that naive? > > Because she’s the person ultimately responsible for establishing whether or not HHR was actually born in Hawaii, and the fact that she’s a Democrat makes it highly unlikely that she would lie for partisan reasons. But she couldn’t be bought, threatened or in the same “old boys network”, could she? No, American politics is too clean for THAT. > [@](#): > > Never said anything about it being a good reason; only that it is natural from their pov. Unless you want to make the blanket statement that EVERYONE who has even the slightest doubt is either a crackpot or a shit-stirrer? > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Orly Taitz and Jerome Corsi are certainly a crackpot and a shit-stirrer, respectively. I assume that most people who aren’t sure are simply unfamiliar with Snopes, Politifact and [FactCheck.org](http://FactCheck.org). That’s 2. What about the rest of them? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/477 "2010-08-04T20:02:24Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > If some of you would remove your tongue from Obama’s ass a moment, you might just get enough light to see that if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Republican’s - forgive the ridiculous suggestion! - you would likely be reacting in a similar way. What shoe? You mean like if someone was making baseless accusations that a Republican Presidential candidate wasn’t really a natural born citizen? That did happen with McCain and we ridiculed McCain birthers just as much as we ridicule Obama birthers. We also ridicule 9/11 Truthers here. Conspiracy theorists, no matter what their political stripe, do not fare well on this message board. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/478 "2010-08-04T20:07:48Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > That’s 2. What about the rest of them? All crackpots and shit-stirrerers, every one. The most I’m willing to concede is that some of them are just guilelessly simple-minded and gullible rather than paranoid, consumed by wishful thinking, or cynically manipulative. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/479 "2010-08-04T20:10:38Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > But she couldn’t be bought, threatened or in the same “old boys network”, could she? No, American politics is too clean for THAT. What is your point, assuming you have one? The director of the state department of health, who I presume is a career civil servant, also confirmed that Obama’s birth certificate is legit. Ms. Lingle could have been bought off, sure… but why would you consider that possibility when there is no evidence that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii (aside from Orly Taitz’ absurd forgeries)? If you are going to assert that anyone who verified Obama’s birth might have been bought off, there is no point discussing this with you. Ms. Taitz, for the record, is currently pursuing a lawsuit against the California Republican Party, asserting that her opponent for the Republican nomination for Secretary of State(who defeated her in the primary by a margin of 3 to 1) isn’t really a Republican. I’m sure you can see why people are not filled with confidence in her claims. > [@](#): > > That’s 2. What about the rest of them? You want me to address the beliefs of each individual Birther? Really? Hmmm. No. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/480 "2010-08-04T20:14:44Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, those are some of his words. Here are some more: > > > [@](#): > > > > “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama **was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen**. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago…” > > [Happy now?](http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm) Don, did you miss this earlier? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877.md?page=25)