# Has Obama spent a million dollars to hide his birth certificate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 9, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877 "2009-08-09T22:44:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Rodgers01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@Rodgers01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodgers01)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/61 "2009-08-10T07:06:11Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > It’s all about [this.](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp) Ah, thank you. (And to **Jragon** and **Marley23**.) ---
**Author:** ![BrandonR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@BrandonR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrandonR)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/62 "2009-08-10T14:54:59Z")
Birthers are like creationists. It doesn’t matter how much proof or evidence you give them, it won’t change their mind – their mind is already made up. Anyone who does provide evidence that contradicts their view is sure to be part of the conspiracy against them. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/63 "2009-08-10T15:56:21Z")
> [@BrandonR](#): > > Birthers are like creationists. It doesn’t matter how much proof or evidence you give them, it won’t change their mind – their mind is already made up. Anyone who does provide evidence that contradicts their view is sure to be part of the conspiracy against them. “Dig deeper.” Heh. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/64 "2009-08-10T16:06:56Z")
> [@BrandonR](#): > > Anyone who does provide evidence that contradicts their view is sure to be part of the conspiracy against them. Or an incredulous dupe. Projection is developed to a fine art by these folks. ---
**Author:** ![davidw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@davidw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidw)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/65 "2009-08-10T18:32:44Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Did you see the link they had in their update (the one that admits, grudgingly, that they misinterpreted the relevant statutes)? It’s [proof, ABSOLUTE PROOF](http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html) that the Certificate of Live Birth was forged!!!1! > > Frankly, said “proof” made my head swim. Which was probably the purpose. Isn’t this from the same site that claimed Obama was actually Malcolm X’s love child (in which case, he would have two American parents, and would absolutely be a natural born citizen)? ---
**Author:** ![Zephyurs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/dfb087/32.png) [@Zephyurs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zephyurs)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/66 "2009-08-10T20:16:26Z")
Dig deeper, indeed. People believe Obama about the birth certificate because that’s what they want to believe. They just don’t want to realize the big lie behind his entire administration: Our President was not born Barack Hussein Obama. He is, in fact, Tupac Amaru Shakur. The evidence is all right there in front of us. They were both purportedly born around the same time. Barack has a past shrouded in mystery prior to his 2004 DNC speech. Tupac has a life that’s well known, before he mysteriously died in the mid 90’s, around which point _Dreams from My Father_ was published to invent a previous life for Tupac’s new identity. And after his death somehow he mysteriously manages to put out album after album. Consider Tupac’s famous song “Changes” (!): “Cops give a damn about a negro” is an obvious reference to the Gates affair. “We ain’t ready, to see a black President.” “It’s war on the streets and the war in the Middle East.” All of this in an attempt to hide Tupac’s Muslim faith, to hide his Islamic roots dedicated to the destruction of Christianity and Western civilization and establishing a Communist Nazi state. (Well, it’s at least as plausible out as anything I’ve heard the Republicans put out.) ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/67 "2009-08-10T23:41:33Z")
Barring the complete and utter suicide of the entire birther movement, I think keeping them around and pricking at them is the next best thing. Their mere existence discredits the GOP. Senators and Reps have been unable to get away from their influence and are now routinely getting swamped when they try to talk to the real constituents. While Dems are being bombarded too, they have an easy scapegoat. The entire movement is filled with retarded people who are probably racist and thats about as good an enemy as anyone can make up ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/68 "2009-08-11T00:39:50Z")
I’m as nutty as the next fruitcake, but I’m just not getting this one. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/69 "2009-08-11T16:05:42Z")
This is a "Boys From Brazil’ scenario. People behind the curtains are running a more than 50 year conspiracy to set up a future president. They knew when he was born that he would become president. That is why they started long ago to veil his real heritage. What a great plan. Pulling off a 50 year conspiracy and then being able to get Obama elected showed incredible control of governments. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/70 "2009-08-11T16:20:06Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > This is a "Boys From Brazil’ scenario. People behind the curtains are running a more than 50 year conspiracy to set up a future president. **They knew when he was born that he would become president.** That is why they started long ago to veil his real heritage. What a great plan. Pulling off a 50 year conspiracy and then being able to get Obama elected showed incredible control of governments. Time travel was perfected in 2014 and the rest will be history. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/71 "2009-08-11T16:39:25Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Time travel was perfected in 2014 and the rest will be history. That is the only explanation that makes sense. That tells you what a stupid stretch it is to go after Obama on that level. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/72 "2009-08-12T00:29:13Z")
According to snopes, Orly Taitz is claiming the real birth certificate that was used as a template for the Obama forgery is itself a forgery, created in an effort to discredit her. ---
**Author:** ![hansel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@hansel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hansel)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/73 "2009-08-12T00:38:44Z")
You want to know how crazy Orly Taitz is? [This is how crazy Orly Taitz is](http://www.esquire.com/the-side/richardson-report/obama-birth-certificate-update-081109). > [@](#): > > Goldman Sachs runs the treasury. > > Obama is a puppet. > > There’s a cemetery somewhere in Arizona where they just dug 30,000 fresh graves, which wait now for the revolution. > > Baxter International — a major Obama contributor — developed a vaccine for bird flu that actually kills people. > > Google Congressman Alcee Hastings and House Bill 684 and you’ll see that they’re planning at least six civilian labor camps. > > Google an article in the San Francisco Chronicle about train cars with shackles. > > The communist dictator Hugo Chavez way back in 2004 purchased the Sequoia software that runs our voting machines and the mainstream media won’t report any of it — not even Fox because Saudi Arabia bought a percentage of Fox in 2007. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/74 "2009-08-12T00:45:24Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > According to snopes, Orly Taitz is claiming the real birth certificate that was used as a template for the Obama forgery is itself a forgery, created in an effort to discredit her. Even though they found the [guy in Australia](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp) whose BC it is?! Is **he** a forgery too? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/75 "2009-08-12T02:42:25Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > This is a "Boys From Brazil’ scenario. People behind the curtains are running a more than 50 year conspiracy to set up a future president. They knew when he was born that he would become president. That is why they started long ago to veil his real heritage. What a great plan. Pulling off a 50 year conspiracy and then being able to get Obama elected showed incredible control of governments. How come they never say that? They just say that Obama’s death certificate is a fake. He wasn’t born in the US, and you know what that means. What if you never saw the Boys from Brazil, and wasn’t Hitler white? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/76 "2009-08-12T02:44:30Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Even though they found the [guy in Australia](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp) whose BC it is?! Is **he** a forgery too? With all that’s swirling in this debate, I wouldn’t be surprised. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/77 "2009-08-12T04:18:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > > According to snopes, Orly Taitz is claiming the real birth certificate that was used as a template for the Obama forgery is itself a forgery, created in an effort to discredit her. > > Even though they found the [guy in Australia](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp) whose BC it is?! Is **he** a forgery too? No, but the forgers who were responsible for forging the forgery on which the forgery was based, have been [DEL]forged[/DEL] sacked. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/78 "2009-08-12T04:46:13Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > This is a "Boys From Brazil’ scenario. People behind the curtains are running a more than 50 year conspiracy to set up a future president. They knew when he was born that he would become president. That is why they started long ago to veil his real heritage. What a great plan. Pulling off a 50 year conspiracy and then being able to get Obama elected showed incredible control of governments. And yet neglecting to change his _middle name_. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/79 "2009-08-12T04:56:42Z")
> [@Zephyurs](#): > > Dig deeper, indeed. People believe Obama about the birth certificate because that’s what they want to believe. They just don’t want to realize the big lie behind his entire administration: > > Our President was not born Barack Hussein Obama. He is, in fact, Tupac Amaru Shakur. > > The evidence is all right there in front of us. They were both purportedly born around the same time. Barack has a past shrouded in mystery prior to his 2004 DNC speech. Tupac has a life that’s well known, before he mysteriously died in the mid 90’s, around which point _Dreams from My Father_ was published to invent a previous life for Tupac’s new identity. And after his death somehow he mysteriously manages to put out album after album. > > Consider Tupac’s famous song “Changes” (!): “Cops give a damn about a negro” is an obvious reference to the Gates affair. “We ain’t ready, to see a black President.” “It’s war on the streets and the war in the Middle East.” > > All of this in an attempt to hide Tupac’s Muslim faith, to hide his Islamic roots dedicated to the destruction of Christianity and Western civilization and establishing a Communist Nazi state. > > (Well, it’s at least as plausible out as anything I’ve heard the Republicans put out.) I love this. We should spread this one. ---
**Author:** ![ManiacMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b782af/32.png) [@ManiacMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ManiacMan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877/80 "2009-08-13T00:30:33Z")
I don’t understand how Obama can’t just get this “vault” copy…original copy or whatever and settle the issue once and for all. Am I missing something? It seems like it would be the thing to do to shut everyone up about it. Know what I mean? I can go to the city hall where I was born almost 40 years ago and get a copy of my mine for $7.00 and its pretty easy to do. Hardly any line at all most days…why can’t he do that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-obama-spent-a-million-dollars-to-hide-his-birth-certificate/505877.md?page=5)