Well that’s because after all these years President Obama still hasn’t released the exact distribution of steel on all levels of WTC1 and 2. Why not?
Lobohan wrote to Don:
You don’t understand your memories. 12 year olds can’t sign contracts. Your mother wasn’t a co-signer, she bought it for you.
Don responds:
Minors can certainly sign contracts and enter into contracts, it is done all the time. Every time a child gets on a school bus they enter into a contract. However, all contracts with minors are violable by state laws, the reason being the child might be unduly harmed by reason of age (meaning lack of life experience).
Seller be aware, as the child is innocent and cannot be found wrong. Accordingly, at age 12 I needed a legal guardian, or an attorney, to back up my signature on the real estate sales contract, and closing papers. My mom became legally responsible for my actions by her signature, and that is a co-signer. The sellers were willing because I had the cash and adult back up.
I earned that money independently by my own hard work, ingenuity, creativity, in sales and service. As the bible says, money answers all things, Ecclesiastes 10:19, even a child can understand this.
More on another thread perhaps?
Don
If you were paying for the land in cash you did not need a co-signer. A co-signature is a declaration that a debt arising out of contract will be paid by a third party if the contracting party defaults.
As an unemancipated minor, your mother would be legally responsible for your actions regardless of whether or not she signed anything, anyway.
None of this is going to matter to people like Susanna or Don123, they just don’t want to believe that a black man with a Muslim sounding name is legitimately the president of the US and will look for any far-fetched reason to deny it. As far as the President goes, he has no reason to try and squash these conspiracies; having fringe people on the right calling the Republican administration of Hawaii liars and insinuating that the (often conservative) judges that dismiss these cases are somehow part of some Kenyan/Islamic conspiracy can only help him and the Democratic party in general. Too funny for words!
Don
I am willing to study them–please provide a link. I assume given your confidence that you have access to them? If so, please provide me a link so that I can have the same level of confidence. You have read the links right? Right? I mean to be all righteous like you are above certainly implies that.
I haven’t insulted you…yet. I rarely insult people in reality, here or in real life. But I do hold people and their facts accountable. I have just asked for citations. Please provide them for the third time or stop claiming they are facts.
Actually, I’m from the UK and don’t particularly give a shit who is in office. My biggest question regarding all this is, why didn’t those dumb fuckers on the right raise this issue prior to the elections?
They did. It was totally debunked long before the election, but it made no difference to them. Instead of admitting they were wrong, they started filing legal challenges to Obama’s presidency - and then complaining about all the money he’s supposedly spent responding to their pointless lawsuits.
I am completely in awe at how Don123 can get so much so wrong. Every single fact, whether it be pertinent to the debate or no, on subjects ranging from U.S. contract law to Fukino’s gender: wrong wrong wrong. It’s quite impressive, really.
Actually, it was raised by those damn fuckers on the left prior to the elections. Specifically, by the Clinton campaign.
They did. And it isn’t an issue. You don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re believing fairy stories because it plays into your conspiracy-theory mentality.
To sum up: There is no issue. He has the same kind of birth certificate as anyone else in America. He has released it.
He doesn’t personally have access to the Hawaii State archives. He can’t release the Hawaii state papers any more than you can (or more on point, any American citizen). Which doesn’t matter, because he has the same kind of birth certificate as Dubyuh, as Clinton, as any person born the last century.
You are not informed if you think this is an issue, it is purely about people who have an axe to grind or are too incompetent, stupid or gullible to fully appreciate the issue.
Look, if I was going to diss Obama, it’d be for being a Council on Foreign Relations lackey and being too big a coward to really throw any worthwhile political weight around. Where he came from is the least of my concerns about the man.
No need. You would be just as wrong in another thread as you are in this one, so why waste the effort?
Wrong. If you signed a contract, your mom was humoring you. It has no legal weight.
You are unlikely to have actually done that. You may think you earned enough money for a house at 12, but unless you are a child movie star or a teen-aged evangelist it’s highly unlikely. What’s more likely is that your parents were patting you on your head, trying to build up your confidence. But ultimately, I don’t care if you somehow lucked into money ass-backwards, you didn’t sign a contract with any legal standing.
The issue is closed. You misunderstood what was happening around you. It doesn’t need another thread.
I thought he was offering post the OP of his own pitting.
Yes he could say that and be right, as to the registration. Here are the types of registrations that were state law at the time.
Registration BC1. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
Registration BC2. (Section 57-8&9)
Registration BC3. (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
Registration BC4. See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
Only BC1 requires the child to be physically inspected and examined. The others could be mailed in from a foreign country, or even the child as an adult or teen could make the case to the director and being convincing that he was born in Hawaii, the paper work would say so. Also one year was allowed after the birth for the parent make the case to the director, verbally or in written letters, and it could be accepted as born in Hawaii.
You do not get it, it is NOT the consequences of Obama being born outside of Hawaii, that is a different subject and argument. The fact is under Hawaiian state law at the time YOU do not know if Obama was literally born in Hawaii or not.
Let me try and explain with this example.
A child of age 17 falls into the wrong crowd, commits a felony, arrested, jailed, fined, and then set free. He has this on his record. Being set free he repents of his evil life, gets educated, is law abiding, and progress to a model and prosperous citizen. After 10 years he can go to court and get is youthful crimes expunged from all public records. Even his legal filings to have the records destroyed are removed.
His crimes never happened even if the governor of the state hires 309 attorneys to search every document in the state’s control.
The governor could say in full honesty the crimes by Mr. X never happened, any one that says Mr. X did the crimes are blatant liars (and no doubt white, evil, racist and blundering fools).
But in fact the crimes were committed by Mr. X.
Going by the laws of Hawaii in 1961 this is what you have, and a mail in birth registration is NOT evidence that the child was born in the state. The governor can only say what they found; Yep here is the certificate of birth, NOT the method used to obtain that certificate that would be listed on the original paperwork that Hawaii says they have on file. And it is ALL legal.
Back to the example, supposing after the expunged records there was one paper left in the back file of Mr. X being issued jail garments, and it is made public by the state. What happens? Mr. X could sue the state for millions of dollars. And it would be a hail storm of legalities to say the least.
OR millions of dollars in public campaign of all kinds of propaganda being in denial by Mr. X
What could you say as an outsider? The best would be YOU DO NOT KNOW one way or the other about Mr. X.
And that is where it stands with Obama.
Don
Even assuming that “we don’t know”, which, you have to admit, is a fringe view; you still have to prove that he wasn’t born in Hawaii. Good luck with that.
This thread is one big whoosh, right? 'cuase, quite frankly, it sure reads like one. Fictional characters included…
We don’t know that these were state law. You’ve been asked to show that they were, but at this point all you have is a copy and paste of a blog post.
And assuming this stuff was state law, we have no reason to believe the examination was not done.
Aside: Governor Lingle is ALSO not a “he.” 
Then you are simply being stupid or utterly, and ugly, ignorant when it comes to contract law–and yes case closed on this thread. Go look up your own state laws and get educated, and do not blame me.
Don