# Has Susan Collins destroyed her chances in 2020? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 18, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175 "2018-10-18T21:35:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175/41 "2018-10-19T19:45:11Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I dunno. He’s cutting it really close. Even if the actual case isn’t finished, he needs to get stuff out there soon. This whole notion that Mueller needs to hurry up and release what he has, or that there is some kind of deadline on his invsetigation is a false narrative. Bob Mueller has been a professional prosecutor involved in corruption investigations for longer than many of his critics have been alive, and he’s been under literal fire in a warzone. He’s going to do the job the right way and to completion (unless fired before). It is quite possible—even likely—that he will find nothing that directly links Donald Trump to Russian intelligence or interference in the elections, and may not even find definitive evidence that the Trump sons and campaign officials had colluded or conspired with Russians, although the number of undisclosed and reluctantly acknowledged contacts with Russian officials is damning in its own right even if not to the level of supporting impeachment or removal. And removal is not going to happen with a Republican-dominated Senate at any rate, so the idea that the investigation needs to be tied off to some practical purpose is without basis. And it is possible that a report will be completed and not released if Rod Rosenstein or whomever is in charge of Justice decides not to make it public. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175/42 "2018-10-19T19:56:37Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > And I agree in political years, 2020 is a long way off, and more Americans can’t name two Supreme Court justices let alone are they going to be all worked up about this. It all depends on if the Supreme Court makes major controversial decisions–and the one which comes to mind is overturning Roe vs Wade. While Kavanaugh would probably vote to overturn, the Supreme Court often puts off these controversial issues and it is even possible Kavanaugh could turn out to be like David Souter–someone everyone expected to be quite conservative but turned out moderate–and didn’t vote to overturn Roe vs Wade. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175/43 "2018-10-19T19:57:02Z")
Please drop the hijack regarding the particulars of the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing, especially the discussion about the particulars of Ford’s allegations. This thread is about Collins and her future prospective political chances. This is a bit squishy I know because they intersect, but if it doesn’t have to do mostly with Collins it’s probably off topic. Examples would be post #14, 21, 24, 30, 33, 34, and 35. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175/44 "2018-10-19T20:40:44Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > From what I know about Mainers (and New Englanders in general) is that they don’t like the “out of towners” telling them how they should think. Not everyone in Maine stands around next to lobster traps, wearing yellow rain slickers and saying, “Ayuh, ya cain’t get theah from heah.” That is to say, I think you are way over simplify the political landscape in Maine, especially in the metro areas. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175/45 "2018-10-19T20:45:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I dunno. He’s cutting it really close. Even if the actual case isn’t finished, he needs to get stuff out there soon. He is purposely not going to release anything before the midterms. Unlike Comey he understands his duty. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175/46 "2018-10-19T21:33:57Z")
Has anyone seen any polling? She’s not running now so it’s not like anyone would have planned something. I haven’t seen anything. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175/47 "2018-10-19T21:36:30Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > 1. People remember very few things which happened 35 years ago. So other people not remembering is not at all surprising. > > 2. If you have been the victim of an attempted rape you remember it–no matter how many decades ago it was. I agree - I was trying to get HurricaneDitka to see that. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175/48 "2018-10-20T10:51:48Z")
> [@Fir\_na\_tine](#): > > Ishe got screwed on the tax cut. IMHO that was pure Kabuki theater. Same with the pretend “hear out the case against Kavanaugh” BS ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175/49 "2018-10-20T13:50:15Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > I agree - I was trying to get HurricaneDitka to see that. You can lead a horse… > [@China\_Guy](#): > > IMHO that was pure Kabuki theater. Same with the pretend “hear out the case against Kavanaugh” BS Yeah, she makes a great show of considering all sides but then consistently votes conservative anyway. Imguess people are fooled and then disappointed when she doesn’t male more moderate decisions but she is part of a political mechanism that actively punishes moderation and bipartisanship, and no doubr many of these decisions are based on sustaining her political career. However, the Kavanaugh confirmation vote was a clear choice of political expediency or making the ethically and rationally correct decision to reject cloture until a more thorough investigation had been done, and to reject confirmation in absence of a complete investigation and in the face of having a confirmation ramrodded through despite Kavanaugh’s conflicts of interest and behavior in the committee hearing, the presumed credibility of Ford’s allegation notwithstanding. Collins choise expediency and used the GOP-supplied whitewash to suggest that Ford confused Kavanaugh with her actual assailant despite [a nearly universal consensus among cognitive sciences that trauma victims will have stark memories of salient details of an attack even as ancillary details are forgotten or blocked](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2018/10/07/republicans-who-believed-ford-doubted-her-memory-relied-junk-science-researchers-say/?utm_term=.3017f9a8d808). Collins can now count herself as among those who dismiss the claims of assault victims on the basis that women just don’t have good enough ladybrains to be able to store all of that information and get easily condused when questioned by a panel of brawny, virile men like Chuck Grassley and Lindsay Graham. She didn’t accuse Ford of being a “scorned woman” but she might as well have done so. I don’t know how popular Collins’ performance was among Maine voters but if they dump her it’ll be little enough justice. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175/50 "2019-09-19T23:45:25Z")
Update. Sara Gideon has thrown her hat in the ring, The Dems will be pouring money into the election and [this article](https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2019/0916/Brett-Kavanaugh-Susan-Collins-and-what-Maine-women-think) makes it seems like the Ds have a good chance for taking the seat. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-susan-collins-destroyed-her-chances-in-2020/823175.md?page=2)