# Has the Dallas tragedy, and other protests/violence killed the Clinton email scandal? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 10, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571 "2016-07-10T15:12:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/1 "2016-07-10T15:12:46Z")
It seems Clinton and the email scandal have fallen from the news due to the recent events in Dallas, etc. Will the Republicans ever get any traction out of this now or is it an opportunity lost for them? It seems you actually have to search to find any information on it now on the major news sites. I’m betting its traction is lost now. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/2 "2016-07-10T15:19:11Z")
It’s amazing it lasted as many months as it did: there have been bigger stories that have come and gone in a shorter period. ---
**Author:** ![koeeoaddi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/koeeoaddi/32/408_2.png) [@koeeoaddi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koeeoaddi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/3 "2016-07-10T15:24:15Z")
FWIW, Maureen Dowd [tore Hillary a new one](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/opinion/sunday/the-clinton-contamination.html) this morning. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/4 "2016-07-10T15:24:38Z")
MSNBC played a clip the other day which alternated between Clinton’s statements in interviews and Comey’s statements from his press conference that contradicted her. I think I saw it on _Morning Joe_. It was pretty powerful. I fully expect to see such a clip in Trump campaign ads in the fall. And before someone chimes in with “But the Democrats can do that to Trump, too”… yes, the Democrats absolutely could and probably will have a field day doing something similar to Trump using just his own interview statements contradicting himself on any number of subjects. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/5 "2016-07-10T15:28:45Z")
> [@koeeoaddi](#): > > FWIW, Maureen Dowd [tore Hillary a new one](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/opinion/sunday/the-clinton-contamination.html) this morning. Looks more like someone claiming that the grapes were sour after not reaching them… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/6 "2016-07-10T15:38:37Z")
The email scandal has fallen from the news because it’s a nothingburger and always has been. It’s Benghazi 2: Selective Boogaloo. Nobody really cares about it except people who were always anti-Clinton. It’s run up the curtain and joined the Choir Invisible. This is a dead scandal. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/7 "2016-07-10T15:41:45Z")
Yes, this mass shooting of police officers is just the break the Clinton campaign has been looking for. But seriously, the email scandal will continue to be a Republican talking point, even if they have to pause to offer their prayers for Dallas. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/8 "2016-07-10T15:47:18Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > It’s amazing it lasted as many months as it did The press has to report _something_, in its constant quest to satisfy those who are sure Both Sides Do It. And for her, that’s all they got. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/9 "2016-07-10T15:48:57Z")
Comey sabotaged the Republicans by announcing the findings just before Congress’ summer recess. Otherwise, they could have held new sets of hearings daily for months. They’re trying to make up for it by ordering the FBI to investigate whether Clinton lied to Congress in any of her statements, but there is only a short window in September when they are back in session to exploit this. “Careless” is never as good a headline as “Criminal.” The right will continue to bring this up every day from now through the end of Clinton’s eight years in office, but it was DOA as a major impediment as soon as the report was issued. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/10 "2016-07-10T15:58:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > MSNBC played a clip the other day which alternated between Clinton’s statements in interviews and Comey’s statements from his press conference that contradicted her. I think I saw it on _Morning Joe_. It was pretty powerful. I fully expect to see such a clip in Trump campaign ads in the fall. > > And before someone chimes in with “But the Democrats can do that to Trump, too”… yes, the Democrats absolutely could and probably will have a field day doing something similar to Trump using just his own interview statements contradicting himself on any number of subjects. Saw that too, but I have noticed that Comey’s statements [are also already part of the talking points in **favor** of Clinton](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/07/07/15-facts-from-comey/). Point being that it will not affect much overall as the ones in favor already will increase the support for Clinton because they also see the reckless accusations of Trump now launched to the FBI itself. AFAIK there has been very little change on the polls, so while the points made about the rules is powerful for the right, most voters IMHO do realize that being promised a criminal indicment and seeing that did not happen that that is then a sign that the Republicans are once again overreaching. Specially Trump. Most voters now are seeing the Republicans once again as acting like the queen of hearts. > **[Hillary Clinton Polls: Did FBI Email Ruling Affect Her Numbers Vs. Donald...](https://www.inquisitr.com/3287325/hillary-clinton-polls-did-fbi-email-ruling-affect-her-numbers-vs-donald-trump-results-may-be-surprising)** > > After the FBI declined to press charges against Hillary Clinton over her use of a private email server while she was Secretary of State, political observers quickly turned their attention to the polls. How would the finding and the public reaction to... > [@](#): > > The Reuters/Ipsos daily tracking poll now includes data from July 5 and July 6, which is after the FBI announcement of the latest developments in the email affair that have dominated political headlines for most of the week. The polling shows that the FBI decision may have actually helped Hillary Clinton expand her lead over Donald Trump. > > At the very least, the email story did not hurt Clinton in the poll, which on July 5 gave her a 10.2 percentage point lead over Trump; 40.2 percent to 30, with 29.8 percent saying that they were either undecided, intended to vote for another candidate or simply refused to answer the pollster’s questions. > > But on July 6, the Hillary Clinton lead over Donald Trump had edged up to a full 11 points; 44 to 33, with just 23 percent falling into the third category. > > In other words, the Reuters/Ipsos poll showed gains for both Clinton and Trump in the immediate aftermath of the FBI email announcement, and a drop in voters who said they hadn’t made up their minds, or would vote for a different candidate altogether. But Clinton’s gain slightly outpaced the headway made by Donald Trump in the daily tracking poll. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/11 "2016-07-10T16:01:45Z")
> [@koeeoaddi](#): > > FWIW, Maureen Dowd [tore Hillary a new one](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/opinion/sunday/the-clinton-contamination.html) this morning. Word on the street has it that MoDo’s had a hardon for Hillary ever since Bill wouldn’t give her a piece of ass back in the '90s after she’d thrown herself at him hard for months. It would be irresponsible not to speculate. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/12 "2016-07-10T16:05:32Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Saw that too, but I have noticed that Comey’s statements [are also already part of the talking points in **favor** of Clinton](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/07/07/15-facts-from-comey/). Point being that it will not affect much as the ones in favor already will increase the support for Clinton because they also see the reckless accusations of Trump now launched to the FBI itself. > > AFAIK there has been very little change on the polls, so while the points made about the rules is powerful for the right, most voters IMHO do realize that being promised a criminal indicment and seeing that did not happen that that is then a sign that the Republicans are once again overreaching. Specially Trump. > > Most voters now are seeing the Republicans once again as acting like the queen of hearts. > > [Hillary Clinton Polls: Did FBI Email Ruling Affect Her Numbers Vs. Donald Trump? Results May Be Surprising - Inquisitr](http://www.inquisitr.com/3287325/hillary-clinton-polls-did-fbi-email-ruling-affect-her-numbers-vs-donald-trump-results-may-be-surprising/) By the time the real campaign gets started (after Labor Day), folks will have largely forgotten all the talking points that favor Clinton, and I doubt she will take the unwise step of trying to bring them back to the forefront in political ads. She may do that in the debates when asked specifically about it, but she has to know that the less said about the issue, the better. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/13 "2016-07-10T16:09:51Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > By the time the real campaign gets started (after Labor Day), folks will have largely forgotten all the talking points that favor Clinton, and I doubt she will take the unwise step of trying to bring them back to the forefront in political ads. She may do that in the debates when asked specifically about it, but she has to know that the less said about the issue, the better. Of course, unfortunately (for the republicans as I see) the Republicans will continue to think that accusations of a fix and innuendo against Comey and the FBI will be winners for them. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/14 "2016-07-10T16:26:39Z")
I’d say that the lack of an actual scandal killed the Clinton email scandal. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/15 "2016-07-10T17:24:01Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > I’d say that the lack of an actual scandal killed the Clinton email scandal. I’d say you’re conflating the lack of an indictment with the [lack of a scandal.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=788657) ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/16 "2016-07-10T17:41:11Z")
There was no indictment, which is a huge plus for HRC relative to an indictment. But it’s just campaign spin to say it’s not a problem for her that Comey called her ‘extremely careless’ with classified info, and laid out bullet points which can be matched up to various of her public statements showing them to be untrue, according to what Comey said. He also specifically covered a point debated here recently, whether senior officials have a responsibility to know that information is sensitive and aren’t off the hook from any responsibility just because it hasn’t been marked so yet. Yes they do, and any broad counter argument would be illogical (if not, senior officials can discuss the most secret topics on nonsecure means of communication, because hey, their words in the conservation weren’t previously market classified! ridiculous). The email scandal, which it certainly is, now just blends into her general problem with ~30% of the public thinking she’s trustworthy. It’s a chronic problem, not specifically countered by some other story grabbing headlines. Fortunately for her she’s up against somebody viewed as nearly as dishonest as she. Also the issue of protests of shootings by the police and especially shootings of police connected to them could turn into a problem for HRC and the Democrats. If the US public senses dangerous disorder, they tend to turn right, no reason AFAIK to think that won’t be true if this situation escalates like the '60’s. Again fortunately for HRC she’s opposing someone likely to try to crassly exploit the situation eventually (he hasn’t really so far) and have it backfire on him. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/17 "2016-07-10T18:07:50Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > There was no indictment, which is a huge plus for HRC relative to an indictment. But it’s just campaign spin to say it’s not a problem for her that Comey called her ‘extremely careless’ with classified info, and laid out bullet points which can be matched up to various of her public statements showing them to be untrue, according to what Comey said. He also specifically covered a point debated here recently, whether senior officials have a responsibility to know that information is sensitive and aren’t off the hook from any responsibility just because it hasn’t been marked so yet. Yes they do, and any broad counter argument would be illogical (if not, senior officials can discuss the most secret topics on nonsecure means of communication, because hey, their words in the conservation weren’t previously market classified! ridiculous). That’s all well-and-good and idealistic, but theory runs into application here. First, the government is not the bastion of info security that people seem to want or think it is. The overwhelming culture is one of carelessness on that front, especially with items that aren’t clearly marked. Second, especially in higher executive seats, there just isn’t the time to deal with every detail of every communication, and so things will get missed. If you really wanted and had the resources to do so, you could probably find examples with any employee that deals with sensitive information. And that’s also part of the insidiousness of this so-called ‘scandal.’ _It is part of the culture._ And the Pubbies know that. You connect the dots. The thing is, you don’t see Democrats on the warpath crying for investigations of their counterparts on the other side of the aisle for the same thing, because they seem to have better things to do. (So do the Pubbies, but that’s another issue.) ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/18 "2016-07-10T18:13:30Z")
> [@koeeoaddi](#): > > FWIW, Maureen Dowd [tore Hillary a new one](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/opinion/sunday/the-clinton-contamination.html) this morning. Once upon a time I actually respected Maureen Dowd. That was then . . . . ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/19 "2016-07-10T18:21:47Z")
I didn’t see any of the Sunday news shows this morning as I was watching Wimbledon, but I imagine they focused on Dallas and numerous protests last night. This does help Clinton slightly, true, the die hards aren’t going to change their mind about Hillary, but it prevents some of the older fence sitters who tend to watch the Sunday news shows from getting a hour full of anti Hillary talk. Next week, we will probably get Trump’s VP and we’re heading into the Republican convention so I imagine emails will be on the back bench for a few weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571/20 "2016-07-10T18:24:57Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’d say you’re conflating the lack of an indictment with the [lack of a scandal.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=788657) I’d say otherwise, as I stated multiple times in your linked thread. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-dallas-tragedy-and-other-protests-violence-killed-the-clinton-email-scandal/759571.md?page=2)