# Has the FBI been corrupted by the KGB? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 4, 2016, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599 "2016-11-04T11:13:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/1 "2016-11-04T11:13:52Z")
OK, it’s only commonly know nowadays as the KGB, but that’s what it is. So now the KKK, FBI and KGB are all supporting the same candidate. From my reading it appears more like a good number of agents felt that Clinton should have been indicted back this summer for the e-mail server and are simply angry about it. But the congruence of interests between the Trump campaign, the KGB and now the FBI is startling. [“The FBI is Trumpland,” said one current agent.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump) And it’s interesting how the FBI is slow rolling on this one: [FBI examining fake documents targeting Clinton campaign: sources](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-documents-idUSKBN12Y2WY) > [@](#): > > The fake Carper letter, which was described to Reuters, is one of several documents presented to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Department of Justice for review in recent weeks, the sources said. Weeks? [The Theory That the FBI Is Out to Get Clinton Is Becoming More Plausible](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/03/hillary_clinton_targeted_by_trump_fbi_fans_report_says.html) > [@](#): > > But while there’s been of yet no evidence revealed that Comey himself has an ax to grind, a number of data points have emerged indicating the presence of a politically motivated anti-Clinton faction within the agency. [HAS THE F.B.I. GONE FULL BREITBART?](http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/fbi-investigation-clinton-foundation-peter-schweizer-breitbart) > [@](#): > > New reports reveal how the F.B.I. relied on an infamous Breitbart source as the basis for its investigation into the Clinton Foundation—and that agents see Clinton as “the antichrist personified.” [The chilling implications of the FBI’s latest attack on Hillary Clinton](https://thinkprogress.org/the-chilling-implications-of-the-fbis-latest-attack-on-hillary-clinton-b91994c30659#.k2ku56c96) > [@](#): > > Information is power, even if that information is false or misleading. A law enforcement agency does not need to arrest you or charge you with a crime to disrupt your life. It can simply release innuendo into the wild and watch your reputation — along with, potentially, your professional and social life — collapse. > > Which, of course, is what various individuals within the FBI are doing to Hillary Clinton. The thread title is in the nature of a bomb throw, but doggone it, what happened to the professionalism of the FBI we knew and loved? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/2 "2016-11-04T12:10:50Z")
It’s possible for the FBI membership to hate Clinton without being “corrupted by the KGB”. Politics makes for strange bedfellows, as they say. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/3 "2016-11-04T12:40:39Z")
I remember when it was the right-wingers warning of Reds under your bed… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/4 "2016-11-04T15:07:43Z")
Used to be the Reds hiding under your bed, then it was the dirty fucking hippy peaceniks, and the Black Panthers and MLK. The Mafia wasn’t under your bed, because they never existed. Then the FBI crushed the Klan in Mississippi, like in the documentary I saw. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/5 "2016-11-04T15:14:38Z")
Yeah, there’s no need to posit a Red Connection. The FBI is law enforcement. In our current political culture, conservatives self-select to become law enforcement. And conservatives have been subjected to decades of propaganda convincing them that Hillary Clinton is the worst thing since birth control. So it should not be surprising. Also consider that the FBI has tens of thousands of employees. Statistically, dozens of them are **Clothahump** types. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/6 "2016-11-04T15:21:19Z")
The FBI was corrupted long ago by Jedgar Hoover and every president that wanted to use it as their own secret police. Even Jedgar wouldn’t go along with Nixon’s plan to go after his political opponents. But he made bureaucratic procedure and political mission the basis of the FBI instead of seeking facts and justice and they’ve never corrected course since. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/7 "2016-11-04T15:28:38Z")
You left out the FBI investigation of potential links between Trump and Russian interests (which found nothing). Seems like a pretty clear sign that the FBI is full of left-wing Clinton supporters, no? Bottom line is that any investigation of your guy is clearly political persecution. Any investigation of the other guy is an important look at very serious and dangerous concerns. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/8 "2016-11-04T15:36:24Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > You left out the FBI investigation of potential links between Trump and Russian interests (which found nothing). Seems like a pretty clear sign that the FBI is full of left-wing Clinton supporters, no? > > Bottom line is that any investigation of your guy is clearly political persecution. Any investigation of the other guy is an important look at very serious and dangerous concerns. How does that make sense? Clinton would _want_ a connection found between Trump and Russia. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/9 "2016-11-04T15:37:01Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > Has the FBI been corrupted by the KGB? > > …The thread title is in the nature of a bomb throw, but doggone it, what happened to the professionalism of the FBI we knew and loved? It appears that the professionalism of the FBI requires that they investigate the criminal activity of Team Hillary, regardless of any reservations you may have about their doing their job. I guess ol’ Hillary, and her minions, should have been more upright, transparent, and honest. _People have got to know if their President is a crook. -Dick Nixon_ ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/10 "2016-11-04T15:43:47Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > How does that make sense? Clinton would _want_ a connection found between Trump and Russia. Exactly. So the FBI investigating in an effort to find one is obviously an attempt by left-wing FBI agents to help Clinton, in exactly the same manner as FBI investigations of the Clinton Foundation were right wing attempts to help Trump. Only difference is that the DOJ - which has apparently not been corrupted by Trump supporters or the KGB - put the kibosh on the Clinton Foundation investigation, while the left-wingers going after Trump seem to have had more of a free hand. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/11 "2016-11-04T15:45:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > How does that make sense? Clinton would _want_ a connection found between Trump and Russia. Unless the investigation uncovers a clandestine connection between Obama and Vladimir (Putin). Politics sometimes makes for strange bedfellows. _President Obama was caught on a hot mic telling outgoing Russian President Dmitri Medvedev that if given “space,” he’ll have more flexibility “after my election.”_ [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JpPU-SwcbE) ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/12 "2016-11-04T15:49:46Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > You left out the FBI investigation of potential links between Trump and Russian interests (which found nothing). Seems like a pretty clear sign that the FBI is full of left-wing Clinton supporters, no? > > Bottom line is that any investigation of your guy is clearly political persecution. Any investigation of the other guy is an important look at very serious and dangerous concerns. An alternative to this analytical approach is to actually consider each investigation on its merits. The server investigation is entirely legitimate. The Foundation investigation, as reported, is suspect, given the lack of public information suggesting anything to investigate and it’s origin with Steve Bannon. The Russian ties investigation is not suspect, given the (ongoing) investigation into Paul Manafort. Isn’t that a much more sensible approach? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/13 "2016-11-04T15:59:15Z")
Paraphrased from a [Slate.com](http://Slate.com) comment section: “The FBI is colluding with Russia to elect a Republican president who wants to disband NATO. Reagan must be spinning in his grave” I’m fine about the Reagan spinning part, but not about the first part ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/14 "2016-11-04T16:19:40Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > An alternative to this analytical approach is to actually consider each investigation on its merits. > > The server investigation is entirely legitimate. The Foundation investigation, as reported, is suspect, given the lack of public information suggesting anything to investigate and it’s origin with Steve Bannon. The Russian ties investigation is not suspect, given the (ongoing) investigation into Paul Manafort. > > Isn’t that a much more sensible approach? I don’t know who Steve Bannon is, but the media reported that the CF investigation was triggered by the Clinton Cash book, by a guy named Schweizer. Further, that the investigation was shot down because while there was a lot of circumstantial evidence, there was not much in the way of hard evidence. I don’t know how that compares to the Russian ties investigation, including the investigation of Manafort. (The connection between the Trump investigation and the Manafort one is also unclear - more detail [here](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html).) At a glance, the suggested links between Trump and the Russian government seems circumstantial - and pretty weakly at that - but I confess to not following this matter (or the Clinton Foundation issue) all that closely and relying mostly on characterizations in the mainstream media, as in the above link. FWIW, I’m not a big believer in the notion that career civil servants are all apolitical drones with no biases, which seems to be the premise of many people commenting on these stories. So it’s possible the FBI has any number of right-wingers rearing to get at Clinton. But the same applies even more so to the people at the DOJ, who are even more aligned with the Democrats at this time. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/15 "2016-11-04T16:30:41Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > OK, it’s only commonly know nowadays as the KGB, but that’s what it is. So now the KKK, FBI and KGB are all supporting the same candidate. Did you notice they all have three letters in their name? Connect the dots, sheeple!\* \*and don’t forget the FDA, CDC and FCC. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/16 "2016-11-04T16:45:07Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I don’t know who Steve Bannon is, but the media reported that the CF investigation was triggered by the Clinton Cash book, by a guy named Schweizer. Steve Bannon is the CEO of Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign. Clinton Cash is the book he conceived and bankrolled. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/17 "2016-11-04T17:16:19Z")
I wouldn’t think it would be proper for the FBI to refuse to investigate evidence just because it was first outlined in a book that was “conceived and bankrolled” by a political opponent. In any event, the reporting I’ve seen indicates that the reason for shutting down the investigation is that it was based on circumstantial evidence and little beyond the Clinton Cash book, not that t he book itself was suspect. See e.g. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hes-got-to-get-control-of-the-ship-again-how-tensions-at-the-fbi-will-persist-after-the-election/2016/11/03/d28fc6c6-a050-11e6-8832-23a007c77bb4\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hes-got-to-get-control-of-the-ship-again-how-tensions-at-the-fbi-will-persist-after-the-election/2016/11/03/d28fc6c6-a050-11e6-8832-23a007c77bb4_story.html) As for the book itself, it seems like there were factual errors that needed to be corrected, but nothing that changed the overall story, and reaction by people who were not CEOs of Trump’s campaign seemed to generally be that it raised serious issues. See e.g. [Clinton Cash - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Cash#Critical_reaction_and_actions_taken) And this was only enhanced by subsequent information uncovered in Wikileaks releases. E.g. [Clinton Foundation–State Department controversy - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation%E2%80%93State_Department_controversy) ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/18 "2016-11-04T17:29:19Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I wouldn’t think it would be proper for the FBI to refuse to investigate evidence just because it was first outlined in a book that was “conceived and bankrolled” by a political opponent. Correct. But it is also an objective reason to be suspicious of the investigation, contrary to your implication that such suspicion is the result of partisan bias. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/19 "2016-11-04T17:34:01Z")
Well I wasn’t seriously alleging that (though it may well be true, of course). But the premise of this thread is that investigations of Clinton are proof of partisan bias, and this was a valid counter to that premise. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599/20 "2016-11-04T17:45:35Z")
More detail on the Clinton Foundation investigation at: [Secret Recordings Fueled FBI Feud in Clinton Probe - WSJ](http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-fbi-been-corrupted-by-the-kgb/770599.md?page=2)