Please, please, DON’T click on any of his Autism/Vaccine links.
He’s using our board to drive traffic to these shitty bad science sites. (Possibly for profit! He’s been that successful working his routine here!) He’s done this ‘just asking’ silliness numerous times in regards to this topic. He doesn’t participate and occassionslly even admits he’s not interested in engaging or changing minds.
Not sure why this board doesn’t step in to stop this behaviour. Especially considering the whole ‘fighting ignorance’ thing. Exactly how many times can he claim he’s ‘just asking’, before this routine borders on trolling, you have to wonder.
I have not seen anything to indicate that a large percentage, much less all of the vaccine court “winners” had Dravet syndrome and were thus destined to develop a seizure disorder +/- autism-like symptoms. The provided links do not show that.
Whether or not vaccination might trigger earlier onset of this syndrome by producing mild fevers leading to febrile seizure is another matter, and brings up an important point relative to mitochondrial disorders. Antivaxers have jumped on the idea (not documented) that all or most autistic kids have mitochondrial disease and thus vaccination causes their autism. If a mild antigenic stimulus is enough to throw such children into an autistic state, then routine infections (anything from common colds and ear infections on through vaccine-preventable diseases like measles which feature a much greater antigenic load than mere vaccination) should be and are (according to experts in the area) a considerably greater risk. Thus we have Dr. Zimmerman recommending DTaP vaccination for childre with mitochondrial disease, since active infection (i.e. with pertussis) is a significant risk factor in these children for neurodevelopmental disorders.
*kids are bombarded with antigens from various sources including bacteria and viruses on a constant basis through normal daily living. The antigenic stimulus from vaccination is a drop in the bucket by comparison.
I should emphasize that on the contrary, virtually everyone interviewed or referenced in Urbanredneck’s link is deeply antivaccine and/or playing footsie with antivaxers, their claims of being “pro-vaccine” notwithstanding.
RFK Jr. has characterized himself as being “fiercely” pro-vaccine, but he has a very long history of promoting antivax nonsense, going at least as far back as a now-retracted Salon article alleging a vaccine conspiracy by regulators. More recently he authored (or just edited, it’s hard to tell) a book alleging horrific dangers of thimerosal preservative in vaccines, despite the fact that thimerosal was removed from virtually all childhood vaccines back in 2001 and never has been found to cause health problems anyway.
SharylAtkisson was alluded to earlier as an antivaxer and conspiracy theorist.
Pro tip: when you see someone insisting they’re pro-vaccine (or "pro-safe vaccine) but they continually push debunked antivax nonsense and stage wholesale attacks on immunization, they’re actually antivaccine but can’t bear to be honest and admit it.
There is no credible evidence that vaccinations cause autism. But there is at least some decent evidence that the radiation from 5G cell towers causes brain cancer and Roundup is a carcinogen. Both matters are open questions, but they’re not as totally off the wall as any vaccines and autism link which came from one discredited study.
I hope so, because your first link involves a woman who wants the rollout of 5G stopped because she has collected anecdotes of people with brain cancer who used cellphones. Setting aside the extremely :dubious: nature of this “evidence”, it doesn’t relate to a technology just now being implemented.
As for link #2, it references the EU perspective on glyphosate (unlike the discredited IARC study, the European Food Safety Authority’s analysis did not label glyphosate a carcinogen) and says the following:
“The EU assessment did not identify a carcinogenicity hazard, revised the toxicological profile proposing new toxicological reference values, and conducted a risk assessment for some representatives uses. Two complementary exposure assessments, human-biomonitoring and food-residues-monitoring, suggests that actual exposure levels are below these reference values and do not represent a public concern.”
That’s not an endorsement of “decent evidence” that glyphosate causes cancer.
Let me stop you right there. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was set up as a compromise between pharmaceutical companies and the public to avoid endless litigation by individuals. It’s actually much better for the public than a typical medical malpractice or product defect lawsuit. The plaintiff doesn’t have to establish causation for most conditions. They only have to show that (1) their injury is a type which can be caused by a vaccine, and (2) that the injury occurred within a plausible time frame from the administration of the vaccine. In other words, it is presumed that the vaccine caused an injury, without actual proof that it did.
If the injury is not a type which studies show can occur from vaccines, the plaintiff can still offer medical evidence that a vaccine caused the injury, and the standard of proof is still virtually a presumption of causation. The plaintiff need only show:
In other words, there only needs to be a plausible link.
Yes, your right. Giving a kid a vaccine wont automatically cause autism.
Also I agree vaccines have stopped some of the worse diseases like smallpox and polio.
However I think what Zimmerman is hitting on is that our current method of administration of vaccines, which is to give every kid the same dose level at the same time, could cause autism in some cases. I think what they are implying is maybe we should have some sort of test we can do beforehand to see if their is a potential for vaccine injury. I mean their are dozens of chemicals in vaccines like aluminum.
Yes, all countries vaccinate. However not all at the same time and at the same schedule as the US.
The links that show that those questions have already been answered have already been posted, so I see no reason to post them again just so that they will be ignored again.
But there is no more evidence for this claim than for the claim that vaccines will automatically cause autism in every recipient.
Just making your hypothesis more restricted doesn’t automatically make it more plausible. If I start out by declaring that NASA’s moon launches were a complete hoax filmed on a California soundstage, and then modify that to the claim that we did actually send a spaceship to the moon’s orbit but just faked the landing, that doesn’t mean that my second claim is more likely or better worth investigating than my first. Half a ton of bullshit is less bullshit than a ton of bullshit, but it’s still nothing but bullshit.
Huh? Are you unaware that there are many tests that researchers “do beforehand” to investigate the potential for vaccine injury, as described here?
In order to justify proposing changes to the standard American pediatric vaccine schedule, you’d need to provide some evidence that another country’s version of the schedule is better, and what feature(s) specifically make it better.
What you think is completely irrelevant to what actually happens in reality. And given that this is a subject that you care about, you have no excuse to have remained uninformed. If you’re worried about something, the solution is not to spread ignorance and avoid reality. Murdering children, simply because you hate the idea of being proven wrong, is not justifiable, it is purely an act of malignant ignorance that results in the deaths of children, and protects no one from autism - since that’s not how autism happens.
Let’s say that there’s a 10% chance that your worries have some validity. They don’t, but let’s say that they do. That leaves you with two options:
Worry and spread your worry, hoping that someday, someone will find an answer that allows you to either qualm your fears or that one day, through some amazing stroke of lottery-winning luck, you finally save one single, lone child from one obscure, statistically insignificant vector for autism that can be prevented. Congratulations, you accomplished something! But, in so doing, you have still caused the spread of disinformation and fear, resulting in the deaths and injury of dozens of children.
Keep that shit to yourself, and protect those dozens of children. Because a) you had a 90% chance of being wrong to begin with, and b) you are probably not the person to win that lottery. In option 1, you really only ever - in the real world - cause death and misery. Yeah, you get to act on your worries, but manning up and keeping your worries to yourself when it saves people is what actually shows courage and caring.
I emphasize the dates of the research papers. Science proceeds in small steps, each building on all the others. It is often messy and uncertain. No study can cover every possibility; no study is large enough to investigate the entire population. This unfortunately makes it easy for the cranks to cite older papers without mentioning that their results may have been superseded.
Of course, you don’t bother to give any cites for your assertion. It’s apparently pulled freely out of your arsenic sulfur.
Huh? Are you unaware that there are many tests that researchers “do beforehand” to investigate the potential for vaccine injury, as 