# Has the media misrepresented the incident with the Covington Cathlic kids? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 22, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210 "2019-01-22T17:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/221 "2019-01-23T19:31:33Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Can anyone translate this for me? He’s making up and misusing words at an unprecedented pace. I’m fairly confident he’s describing an alternate universe, where things happened that didn’t happen in ours. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/222 "2019-01-23T19:40:52Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Sure, and I don’t see anybody here trying to claim that the hateful bigoted “Black Israelite” rabble-rousers should get a pass on their vile actions. > [@begbert2](#): > > The whole “screaming racist insults” thing doesn’t bother me, since I consider the act of wearing a MAGA hat to be equivalent to making threats of race-based violence. Perhaps you meant you hadn’t seen it yet. > [@](#): > > But that doesn’t mean that wearing MAGA hats suddenly becomes innocuous or devoid of its own taint of hateful bigotry. Why did the Native American drummer go up, not to the ones screaming hate and bigotry quite explicitly, but to the ones in the MAGA hats? One group is adults screaming “N_gger" and "F_ggot” at a black man. The other side is sixteen year olds wearing hats. And yet one seems to get a disproportionate amount of the outrage, and the doxxing, and the threats. _:shrugs:_ Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/223 "2019-01-23T19:45:27Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > It was “prayers” what we are talking about here. And you are only showing ignorance about what non-violence protests involve too. BTW you are here ignoring what the ruling MAGAT is doing with his provocations to Native Americans; they can’t ignore it, but violence is not what they are calling here to use against misguided kids that are learning about normalizing authoritarianism. “Prayers”? Didnt sound like any prayers I or the kids knew about. But you are correct on your point the kids didnt know what to do when an asshole provokes them. The kids are taught to be proud of who they are but to be respectful of others and thats what they did. Just wearing a hat is NOT a provocation! If you think it does, YOU have the problem. He isnt the first jerk whos done something lie this. Back in 2016 there were all these people stealing Trump signs. People are attacked all the time for [wearing a MAGA hat.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/07/06/teen-maga-hat-whataburger-theft/762422002/) [Democrats are now calling for it to be illegal for teens to wear a MAGA hat](https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/01/21/kentucky-dem-rep-calls-for-banning-teens-from-wearing-maga-hats-715910). Way to go democrats! ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/224 "2019-01-23T19:50:40Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > [Democrats are now calling for it to be illegal for teens to wear a MAGA hat](https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/01/21/kentucky-dem-rep-calls-for-banning-teens-from-wearing-maga-hats-715910). Way to go democrats! For the totally humor-impaired: > I mean, Jesus Christ, **UrbanRedneck** , how did you take that tweet seriously? At no point of reading your right-wing news did you say, “Huh, I wonder if the author is pulling our collective legs?” Also, do you realize that Jonathan Swift did not actually call for people to eat children? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/225 "2019-01-23T20:05:30Z")
Oops. **urp** ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/226 "2019-01-23T20:23:21Z")
I haven’t seen anything regarding debating in this thread for awhile nevermind “Great”. ---
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/227 "2019-01-23T20:29:15Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The Native American walked up to the kid and started banging his drum. Interestingly, he did not go up to the Black Israelites who were screaming racist and homophobic insults and start banging his drum in their faces. His alleged attempt to defuse was aimed at the target of the racist insults, not the perpetrators. > > Regards, > Shodan I’m not saying your wrong, but I’ve only seen the native American walking up to the crowd of kids banging the drum, not getting in the kid’s face. Is there a video of that? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/228 "2019-01-23T20:29:48Z")
Can we agree on one thing? Just one fucking thing??? That Sandmann guy didn’t do anything\*. Can we agree on that? \*Besides wear a fucking hat of course. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/229 "2019-01-23T20:30:54Z")
> [@nate](#): > > I’m not saying your wrong, but I’ve only seen the native American walking up to the crowd of kids banging the drum, not getting in the kid’s face. Is there a video of that? Is he not within say 18 inches of Sandmann in the initial video that started it all? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/230 "2019-01-23T20:42:14Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Can we agree on one thing? Just one fucking thing??? > > That Sandmann guy didn’t do anything\*. Can we agree on that? > > \*Besides wear a fucking hat of course. I doubt there are many of our resident leftists willing to admit that. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/231 "2019-01-23T20:42:20Z")
I’m just hoping the thread lasts long enough for Urbanredneck to regale us with Chapter Two in his _Tales of Bravery Where I Woulda Totally Gone Ape on That Uppity Injun if Only I Would Of Been There_. So, wouldja’ve shoved his drum so far up his ass he’d cough in cadence, Unca Redneck? Gosh! :eek::eek::eek: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/232 "2019-01-23T20:43:56Z")
Perhaps future refinements of the “Stand Your Ground” laws will include such fine points like the actual measurements of “In Your Face”. Originally, they were meant to be about real or imagined physical assault, but perhaps we should refine them to include the potential harm to persons of delicate sensibility by invasion of personal space. Until this thread, I had not considered “in your face” to rise to the level of a mortal threat, but perhaps I shall reconsider? On second thought, no, probably not. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Plutonium_Kid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/233 "2019-01-23T20:45:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And if it had a swastika, still a hat? Obviously not. So, a hat can be a symbol, it can be a statement. The MAGA hat, for instance, clearly states “I am a hat resting upon a cranium that surrounds a vacuum”. A much better example would be that herd of mad cows wearing pink knit caps at the Women’s March. Or an even better one would be the Black Hebrew Israelites who, completely unprovoked, shouted slurs such as “faggot” and “incest baby” at the students. Give us a goddam break. Your comparison is absurd, and you know it. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/234 "2019-01-23T20:46:12Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Can we agree on one thing? Just one fucking thing??? > > That Sandmann guy didn’t do anything\*. Can we agree on that? > > \*Besides wear a fucking hat of course. I don’t really have a good grip on the whole course of events, but it seems to me that the student group decided to do some kind of taunting of the crazy Black Israelites or whatever they call themselves. Now, they are surely allowed to. And I’m not saying they started anything. But perhaps if it was a school group from an urban area, they might have known that it is common practice to ignore people who are ranting incoherently and abusively in public. So the actions of the group weren’t exactly smart, and would seem to have contributed to a senseless escalation of what seems to be an avoidable incident. I’m not assigning any level of blame to the students… but the taunting certainly doesn’t qualify as “doing nothing.” ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/235 "2019-01-23T20:47:48Z")
Mad cows? Jesus. Yeah you guys are the civil ones :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Plutonium_Kid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/236 "2019-01-23T20:52:45Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Criticizing someone for promoting a hate ideology is not the same thing as advocating for them to be doxxed or threatened. Ah, a classic case of projection, accusing others of hatred when you are yourself full of hate. > [@](#): > > Though considering how indifferent many conservatives have been toward doxxing or threats targeted at liberals by conservatives, I can see how you might perhaps be having trouble telling the difference. That kind of nastiness is far more typical of left-wingers than right-wingers. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/237 "2019-01-23T20:53:20Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Can we agree on one thing? Just one fucking thing??? > > That Sandmann guy didn’t do anything\*. Can we agree on that? > > \*Besides wear a fucking hat of course. Redhatbad is the 2019 upgrade to orangemanbad. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Plutonium_Kid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/238 "2019-01-23T20:56:15Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Mad cows? > > Jesus. Yeah you guys are the civil ones :rolleyes: Compared to the typical leftie, a rabid wolverine would be the civil one. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Plutonium_Kid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/239 "2019-01-23T20:58:42Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Your double standard isn’t fooling anyone, except perhaps yourselves. Bah. If it wasn’t for double standards, lefties would have no standards at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/240 "2019-01-23T20:59:12Z")
> [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](#): > > Compared to the typical leftie, a rabid wolverine would be the civil one. Sounds like someone here needs a safe space! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210.md?page=13)