# Has the media misrepresented the incident with the Covington Cathlic kids? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 22, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210 "2019-01-22T17:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/121 "2019-01-23T01:13:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ll decline your massive goalpost shift (from “low turnout” to under “an alltime voter turnout”?). If you want to make political predictions, I’ll recommend you stick with the professionals with track records – which means Nate Silver. And it’s way too early to be making any predictions about 2020 turnout. Nate had the Sox making the 2011 playoffs. Pass. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Plutonium_Kid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/122 "2019-01-23T01:15:06Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Their “beliefs” are shameful. So, there’s that. Wearing a MAGA hat is a shameful act. I have never seen one in real life, but it tells me something about the person who would wear one. Especially during a school sponsored event. Nonsense. Now, wearing a Che tee shirt is clearly hate speech, but I never hear any lefties complain about that. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Plutonium_Kid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/123 "2019-01-23T01:22:56Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The hats are a dead giveaway. Gosh, it’s nice to know I’m talking to someone who doesn’t resort to crude and demeaning stereotypes to win an argument. ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/124 "2019-01-23T01:27:03Z")
The problem is it didn’t start as a news story, it started as a Twitterstorm by SJW online mobs. But because the fakestream media is on the same side as SJW online mobs, they just reported it, taking the online SJWs’ word for it without doing any investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/125 "2019-01-23T01:29:30Z")
> [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](#): > > Gosh, it’s nice to know I’m talking to someone who doesn’t resort to crude and demeaning stereotypes to win an argument. If you can imagine a non-deplorable reason to wear such a thing, you have a better imagination than I do. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/126 "2019-01-23T01:52:23Z")
This proves one thing. It proves that you educated college boys can’t admit when you’re wrong… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/127 "2019-01-23T01:52:25Z")
> [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](#): > > But ironclad conclusive evidence would be having voted for Hillary. Nice comeback. You’ve really mastered the fine art of “I know you are but what am I-ism”. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/128 "2019-01-23T01:54:18Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > The problem is it didn’t start as a news story, it started as a Twitterstorm by SJW online mobs. But because **the fakestream media is on the same side as SJW online mobs** , they just reported it, taking the online SJWs’ word for it without doing any investigation. …I’m an SJW. The “Fakestream media” or whatever the fuck you want to call it is **not on my side**. If they were on my side then they would be in the process of furiously changing the narrative of this story, throwing Phillips under the bus, and elevating the Covington Kids to sainthood. They aren’t on my side. They are on “both sides.” And that is the fucking problem. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/129 "2019-01-23T01:57:32Z")
> [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](#): > > Nonsense. Now, wearing a Che tee shirt is clearly hate speech, but I never hear any lefties complain about that. Well, I guess Guevara had a certain rebel charm, despite the violent thuggery of his methods and the moral bankruptcy of his goals. Rather like displaying Confederate flags, actually. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/130 "2019-01-23T02:02:26Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The hats are a dead giveaway. Hats, hoodies, they all sound so ominous, scary, and racist. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/131 "2019-01-23T02:04:55Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > This proves one thing. It proves that you educated college boys can’t admit when you’re wrong… Your a lawyer, right? Didn’t that involve some degree of college education? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/132 "2019-01-23T02:15:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Your a lawyer, right? Didn’t that involve some degree of college education? I believe **UltraVires** was paraphrasing a quote from Jaws. _Hooper: Quint, that doesn’t prove a damn thing! Quint: Well it proves one thing, Mr. Hooper. It proves that you wealthy college boys don’t have the education enough to admit when you’re wrong_. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/133 "2019-01-23T02:49:29Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, I guess Guevara had a certain rebel charm, despite the violent thuggery of his methods and the moral bankruptcy of his goals. Rather like displaying Confederate flags, actually. Dead on…back in the day. Both were ways of saying “I’m a rebel/non-establishment follower” One said “yeah I don’t follow nothing but the road. Wanna fuck in my barn?” The other said “Classes? Yeah I guess. Whatever. I’ll probably drop out. Wanna go back to my dorm room and fuck?” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/134 "2019-01-23T02:56:33Z")
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**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/135 "2019-01-23T03:02:02Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Basically the media says a group of cathloic high school boys, some wearing MAGA hats, were taunting and making fun of a Aative American. The school is taking alot of grief over this ([Howard Dean wants the school closed](https://twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/1086869687609290752)). Indeed the [school did close for a day](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/22/covington-catholic-high-school-backlash-protests/2642568002/)over security threats. > > Students have even been given death threats. One [reporter was even fired](https://www.thewrap.com/vulture-writer-on-covington-students-i-just-want-these-people-to-die-simple-as-that/) over doing this. A [writer for SNL](https://www.infowars.com/snl-writer-offers-oral-sex-for-anyone-who-punches-maga-kid/) has offered oral sex for anyone who punches the MAGA hat wearing kid. > > However maybe the media has gotten it wrong. [HERE](https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-nathan-phillips-video) is one story where they tell the other side of the story. > > Supposedly their were these group of African activists called Black Hebrews preaching at the same time a schoolgroup of Catholic youth who were attending a nearby right to life rally. Their was also some native american activists in the same area. One of the NA activists decided to walk into the group of youth beating his drum. Most just stepped aside and let him pass except one youth wearing a MAGA hat who just stood there smiling while he beat the drum in his face. > > [HERE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3EC1_gcr34&feature=youtu.be) is the full video of the entire incident. Warning, its very long. Notice though that at 00:45 a NA activist asks the man to quiet down. Later he Black Hebrews hurl several insults at the youth and many others. > > I think the media should admit they got it wrong and the catholic boys did nothing wrong. They should also show some admiration for the MAGA wearing youth who kept his cool and was not intimidated by the guy beating the drum in his face. > > Should the media retract its story? The families of the youth [have threatened a lawsuit](https://pjmedia.com/trending/lawyer-for-covington-catholic-hs-families-threatens-lawsuits-against-media-unless-they-retract-false-stories/). Couldnt they just admit there were more sides to the story? What IS the other side of the story? [HERE](http://www.wave3.com/2019/01/21/covington-catholic-student-incident-indigenous-peoples-march-releases-statement/) is a statement from the student.[HERE](https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=covington+cathloic+incident&view=detail&mid=980BA49FB95C6245CB2A980BA49FB95C6245CB2A&FORM=VIRE)is a video showing the statement from the NA drummer. > > One media outlet has admitted ["Their are new videos and even more interpretations](https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/kenton-county/covington/covington-catholic-incident-in-washington-yields-many-videos-even-more-interpretations)". > Fox news is reporting that the[media did show a bias](https://news.yahoo.com/did-media-misrepresent-covington-catholic-111646893.html). > You have to admit its not unusual for a media outlet to run a story before learning all the facts. Has it truly got this one wrong? Should they run an apology? Not only misrepresent the media inflamed the dangerous and unhinged loons that infest social media. I wonder if all the calls to violence and doxxing will lead to any deplatforming or “consequences.” It was funny listening to NPR today with their faux gravely concerned and solemn tone discussing how jumping to conclusions and creating news might not be the proper role of responsible media. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/136 "2019-01-23T03:07:11Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > “yeah I don’t follow nothing but the road. Wanna fuck in my barn?” It’s no _Don’t Tread on Me_ but it still cracks me up. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/137 "2019-01-23T04:44:52Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I’m an SJW. The “Fakestream media” or whatever the fuck you want to call it is **not on my side**. If they were on my side then they would be in the process of furiously changing the narrative of this story, throwing Phillips under the bus, and elevating the Covington Kids to sainthood. They aren’t on my side. They are on “both sides.” And that is the fucking problem. The Fakestream media is busy with that indeed. [https://www.truthorfiction.com/is-nathan-phillips-lying-about-his-military-service-in-order-to-raise-money/](https://www.truthorfiction.com/is-nathan-phillips-lying-about-his-military-service-in-order-to-raise-money/) > [@](#): > > In the wake of the days-long Covington Catholic controversy, rumors spread about its central figures, Native American rights activist Nathan Phillips of the Omaha Nation and student Nick SandmannAs the story continued to unfold, pushed along by a toxic social media brew of rumors, backtracking, and the usual swarms of bots and paid trolls, claims appeared about Phillips involving allegations of “stolen valor” and an opportunistic GoFundMe campaign. > > A rambling January 21 2019 Clover Chronicle blog post (passively titled “Questions Are Being Raised About Native American Elder Nathan Phillips’ Alleged USMC Service During The Vietnam War”) is characteristic of those claims. The post alleges that Phillips had “lied” about his record of military service, although its only basis was that the dates did not appear to match up: > [@](#): > > But the transcript does not match the audio. In the video (at around :39), Phillips quite clearly says, “And I’m a Vietnam-times veteran, and I know that mentality…” indicating not that he was in combat in Vietnam, but that he was in the military during that time and he remembers when crowds would taunt soldiers in uniform, and how it feels to be surrounded. > > A second reference to Vietnam in the transcript (which bears the caveat that it was “lightly edited for flow and content”) does not appear in the audio on the page at all, making what he said impossible to check against the text. > > Sites like The Gateway Pundit and RedState and various forums ran with it anyway, also spreading the claim that Phillips lied about his service. They often linked back to a blog called This Ain’t Hell, which centers on stolen valor. However, that site has not said that Phillips didn’t serve: I still do think that ignoring the trolling nature of wearing MAGA hats by many news outlets is asinine. Particularly when it is noticed that a few days ago any Native American activist would had been aware of what the MAGAT in chief was saying about past sore incidents involving Native Americans. > **[Native American leaders ask Trump to apologize for 'shameful' Wounded Knee...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/native-american-leaders-trump-apologize-shameful-wounded-knee/story?id=60374772)** > > Native American leaders criticized President Donald Trump for comments he made while attacking Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Twitter this weekend. > [@](#): > > Native American leaders ask Trump to apologize for ‘shameful’ Wounded Knee remarks And they can not forget recent incidents with the current administration about pipelines and selling of mineral rights in now unprotected areas that they considered sacred or valuable. > **['Outrageous' Gold Rush-Style Grab of Public Lands to Begin Friday - EcoWatch](https://www.ecowatch.com/bears-ears-monument-controversy-2530487057.html)** > > Conservationists, local tribe leaders, Democratic legislators, and even a UN expert decry this "serious attack on indigenous peoples' rights." "It is outrageous to witness the dismantling of the Bears Ears national monument, in what constitutes... > [@](#): > > Despite protests from conservationists, local tribe leaders, Democratic lawmakers and even the United Nations’ expert on Indigenous rights, at 6 a.m. on Friday the Trump administration will allow citizens and companies to start staking claims on sections of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments in Utah so the new stakeholders can conduct hard rock mining on the formerly protected lands. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/138 "2019-01-23T05:04:50Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The Fakestream media is busy with that indeed. > > [Is Nathan Phillips Lying About His Military Service in Order to...](https://www.truthorfiction.com/is-nathan-phillips-lying-about-his-military-service-in-order-to-raise-money/) > > I still do think that ignoring the trolling nature of wearing MAGA hats by many news outlets is asinine. Particularly when it is noticed that a few days ago any Native American activist would had been aware of what the MAGAT in chief was saying about past sore incidents involving Native Americans. > > [Native American leaders ask Trump to apologize for 'shameful' Wounded Knee remarks - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/native-american-leaders-trump-apologize-shameful-wounded-knee/story?id=60374772) > And they can not forget recent incidents with the current administration about pipelines and selling of mineral rights in now unprotected areas that they considered sacred or valuable. > > ['Outrageous' Gold Rush-Style Grab of Public Lands to Begin Friday - EcoWatch](https://www.ecowatch.com/bears-ears-monument-controversy-2530487057.html) In what world is wearing political apparel associated with the current US President noteworthy? Hatcrime and facecrime are silly silly silly concepts. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Plutonium\_Kid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Plutonium_Kid)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/139 "2019-01-23T05:16:09Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Nice comeback. You’ve really mastered the fine art of “I know you are but what am I-ism”. Oh, please. It’s not like your comment was worthy of Oscar Wilde or even an intelligent adult. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210/140 "2019-01-23T05:24:25Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > …And they can not forget recent incidents with the current administration about pipelines and selling of mineral rights in now unprotected areas that they considered sacred or valuable. > > ['Outrageous' Gold Rush-Style Grab of Public Lands to Begin Friday - EcoWatch](https://www.ecowatch.com/bears-ears-monument-controversy-2530487057.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > Despite protests from conservationists, local tribe leaders, Democratic lawmakers and even the United Nations’ expert on Indigenous rights, at 6 a.m. on Friday the Trump administration will allow citizens and companies to start staking claims on sections of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments in Utah so the new stakeholders can conduct hard rock mining on the formerly protected lands. Thanks for making me aware of this. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-media-misrepresented-the-incident-with-the-covington-cathlic-kids/828210.md?page=8)