# Has the QUEER EYE permanently dimmed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 7, 2004, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766 "2004-08-07T13:14:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![dreamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@dreamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dreamer)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/21 "2004-08-07T23:29:27Z")
I don’t know if this has been asked but do they really do all that stuff in each episode in _one day?_ ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/22 "2004-08-07T23:55:48Z")
No. It’s done over a period of four days from what I remember. No cite though. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/23 "2004-08-08T00:31:49Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > The show is about marketing. This is a surprise to you, that television shows are about marketing? You have seen television before, right? Television has exactly one product, the audience. The money spent to produce programming is overhead, like paying rent on a store or the light bill. > [@](#): > > They spend a big chunk of every episode showing the guys going to expensive food and furniture and clothing stores and specialty shops, spending a lot of time shopping, and then coming back to find major renovations done to their homes. Again, the stores they go to are tied to the income level of the subject, and also if applicable to the style of the subject. Not everyone gets taken to Brooks Brothers or Barney’s or wherever expensive, and not everyone goes to the upscale cheese shop. The high school coach got his clothes from a sportswear store. The former model-turned-taxidermist got his clothes from someplace that also sold fishing equipment. The step-dad got the ingredients for his daughter’s pizza party from Costco. Usually when they go to a specialty food store it’s because there’s a particular food-based issue (cooking for a vegetarian girlfriend, buying specialty chocolates for a marriage proposal, throwing a wine-and-cheese party). > [@](#): > > For all I know, it is tied to the income level of the guy, but they definitely don’t emphasize that on the show. Because wouldn’t it be rather rude to discuss the guy’s monetary situation on national television? > [@](#): > > What they emphasize is: “if you have all this stuff, your life will be better.” No, what they emphasize is “you can live nicely and have nice things if you want them.” > [@](#): > > It’s not just about cost, and it’s not about seeming “too gay,” it’s about hassle, and the necessity of spending all that time and effort for something so shallow. I disagree that taking care of your skin, which is after all the largest organ of your body, is shallow. If you choose not to take care of your skin by doing simple things like moisturizing and wearing sunscreen that’s your choice. For me, taking care of my skin is no different than taking care of any other part of my body. It takes me no extra time to condition my hair in the shower, about thirty seconds to put something on my hair to keep it neat after brushing it and about a minute to moisturize my entire body after the shower so the time argument doesn’t really hold up. > [@](#): > > Now the reality of the show isn’t quite that clear-cut, because the only one who acts as if his only qualification is that he’s a homo, is the clothes guy. But I’ve seen episode after episode that follows the same format: Let a bunch of gay men come in and fix you up, and you’ll end the show by getting laid. Sounds good to me, I’d love to have some people over to fix up my place and then get laid after. > [@](#): > > And you’ll have to excuse me if I’m getting a little annoyed at the idea that gay guys can’t be every bit as much of a slob as any straight man…I am getting more and more annoyed that people look at me with my lousy haircut and my shirt untucked and a few days’ groth of beard and ask me, “Dude, are you _sure_ you’re gay?” Then take it up with the rude assholes who think it’s OK to question your sexuality at all. Or tuck in your shirt, comb your hair and step up the shaving to twice a week. Or don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/24 "2004-08-08T02:56:41Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > And you’ll have to excuse me if I’m getting a little annoyed at the idea that gay guys can’t be every bit as much of a slob as any straight man. If the show were called “Well-dressed and cultured guy for the slob man,” I wouldn’t have so much of a problem with it. But I am getting more and more annoyed that people look at me with my lousy haircut and my shirt untucked and a few days’ groth of beard and ask me, “Dude, are you _sure_ you’re gay?” Tell me about it. I own several guns (grew up in the Alabama backwoods where they’re an absolute necessity) yet when I mention wanting to find a good place to go target shooting I get asked “are you sure you’re gay?”. Ditto when people see my office, my pre-Columbian weaponry collection (uh hello— it’s spot-lit, so that should be an indicator). I’ve been to parties given by people with advanced degrees where the host/ess has asked my opinion on a centerpiece or with the flower garden (how the hell should I know? My centerpiece is usually the meat-dish and as for flowers I know three types, one of which is violets another of which is roses and the third being neither\*). Sometimes it’s even asked as a compliment by straight women, but it’s still just a bit irritating that because I don’t enter the room in a pirouette while balancing a spare peacock-carved-from-a-grape-stuffed-pineapple table decoration on top of a $180 haircut I received from a 90 pound queen with an Eastern European name then I must not really be gay. (Uh, I’ve got a pretty unfailing indicator of it… put in a Johnny Depp movie and then try to change the channel and you’ll see some imaginary clips and heels come off as I get ready to catfight for the remote…) \*Paraphrasing of Ulysses S. Grant acknowledged ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/25 "2004-08-08T04:05:52Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > But I am getting more and more annoyed that people look at me with my lousy haircut and my shirt untucked and a few days’ groth of beard and ask me, “Dude, are you _sure_ you’re gay?” Unfortunately, that happens to _anyone_ who doesn’t fit the ‘role’ envisioned for them by the boneheads who say such things. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/26 "2004-08-08T05:05:38Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Wow, I hope you enjoyed that heaping helping of missed-the-point! Well, in my defense I’d have to say that to you, because as I said in my next post, I was exaggerating to be funny. I remember a time when attempts at being funny were appreciated here. It didn’t seem that long ago. ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/27 "2004-08-08T05:15:24Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > This is a surprise to you, that television shows are about marketing? You have seen television before, right? No, I spend most of my leisure time sitting in a penthouse apartment with a bunch of hired friends, sipping cosmos and mocking the video of some guy going out on a date. Either that, or exfoliating. But from what I hear, most of the shows on television are _about_ being artistic or entertaining, and are interrupted by marketing. They’re not hour-long ads themselves, with two messages: 1) buy this product, and 2) Queers just LOOOOVE clothes and cooking and decorating. > [@Otto](#): > > I disagree that taking care of your skin, which is after all the **largest organ of your body** , is shallow. If you choose not to take care of your skin by doing simple things like **moisturizing** and wearing sunscreen that’s your choice. For me, **taking care of my skin** is no different than taking care of any other part of my body. It takes me no extra time to condition my hair **in the shower** , about thirty seconds to put something on my hair to keep it neat after brushing it and about a minute to **moisturize my entire body** after the shower so the time argument doesn’t really hold up. Dude, I’d respond to that but I’ve got so much wood right now I can’t think clearly. > [@Otto](#): > > Then take it up with the rude assholes who think it’s OK to question your sexuality at all. Or tuck in your shirt, comb your hair and step up the shaving to twice a week. Or don’t. Hey, don’t try to change me to make me fit into your narrow world-view, man! I’m here! I’m slovenly! Get used to it! ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/28 "2004-08-08T07:47:19Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > But from what I hear, most of the shows on television are _about_ being artistic or entertaining, and are interrupted by marketing. You have it exactly backwards. Commercial television makes money by delivering viewers to advertisers. The programming is the means to deliver viewers to the advertisers. If the networks could attract viewers by canceling all their programming and broadcasting static or test patterns, they would. > [@](#): > > Hey, don’t try to change me to make me fit into your narrow world-view, man! I’m here! I’m slovenly! Get used to it! I couldn’t really care much less what you look like or how you dress. You’re the one who seems to get rather upset that people are being rude based on your appearance. If you want it to stop, your choices are to address it with them or change your appearance. Makes no never mind to me. ---
**Author:** ![Cockatiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/43a26b/32.png) [@Cockatiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cockatiel)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2004, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/29 "2004-08-08T19:20:59Z")
I completely agree with the OP. I uesd to watch the new episodes religiously, and, to tell the truth, I haven’t watched the show in probably 2 months. IMO, in addition to becoming repetitive, QE is also being overexposed. I didn’t used to want to miss the new episodes because (if i remember correctly) they did not show quite so many repeats as they do now. As time went on, I really didn’t care if I missed the new ones the day they premiered, because I could always catch up with the repeats. Also, what’s up with the gay guy makeovers? And going to England? I liked it when the show stayed the way it was- Carson, Jai, Thom, Ted, and Kayan made over a straight guy in the U.S.A. (even though the original gay cast of Queer Eye didn’t include all of the above) That’s just my input in this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![SlyFrog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SlyFrog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlyFrog)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/30 "2004-08-09T03:38:00Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Well, in my defense I’d have to say that to you, because as I said in my next post, I was exaggerating to be funny. I remember a time when attempts at being funny were appreciated here. It didn’t seem that long ago. No, this is a land of retards who, as a weak attempt at argument, take opinions, clear exaggerations for effect, and analysis, and respond to it as if you were giving a factually provable data point. See, e.g., my often fought battle on these boards with the idiots who follow every post with which they disagree with “cite?”, regardless of the actual content of the post they are questioning and whether there is anything stated therein to which the question is properly given. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2004, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/31 "2004-08-09T21:05:21Z")
[hijack] > [@me](#): > > I’m a straight chick, btw…and was quite the fag hag in my day The above sentence has bugged me ever since I wrote it, and, even though I’m probably the only one who cares (or even noticed) I just want to say for the record: I’m not a fan of the term “fag hag.” I think I used it in my post as a quick way to establish myself as someone familiar with the community, but I regret using that term. Not that it’s inherently bad or anything, I just personally have never liked it. Now, back to our regularly-scheduled programming… 😉 [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2004, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/32 "2004-08-10T00:36:30Z")
WHEN will Queer Eye take on the challenge of making a homeless person into a Wall Street executive? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2004, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766/33 "2004-08-10T05:01:15Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > WHEN will Queer Eye take on the challenge of making a homeless person into a Wall Street executive? 🆒 I think they’re saving that for sweeps weeks in the next version of _The Apprentice_. (Hell, if it was a choice between the guy on the street corner who talks to an invisible Doc Severinsen and Omarosa, which would you put in charge of your multibillion dollar project?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-queer-eye-permanently-dimmed/258766.md?page=1)