# Has The Sarah Connor Chronicles improved?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [February 18, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145 "2008-02-18T19:53:52Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/1 "2008-02-18T19:53:52Z")
It’s starting over here later this week. [This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=451363) says that the first episode is heroically bad. Has it improved?
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### Author:  [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2008, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/2 "2008-02-18T20:10:02Z")
Yes and no.
It’s a decent show, better than many scripted shows, but still has some major plot problems.
I like it, but I’m not expecting it to be renewed.
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### Author:  [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2008, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/3 "2008-02-18T20:19:46Z")
If you believe the first episode is “heroically bad” you probably won’t like the episodes that follow.
But I think they’ve been solid and the last two have been particularly good. I’m especially excited about tonight’s episode. We…
get to see the Future War
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### Author:  [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/4 "2008-02-18T20:51:21Z")
Ehh. I’m liking it.
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### Author:  [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/5 "2008-02-18T21:22:13Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey]
If you believe the first episode is “heroically bad”
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That did seem to be the view of the other thread. Hopefully I was using hyperbole.
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### Author:  [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/6 "2008-02-18T22:11:44Z")
[QUOTE=Quartz]
That did seem to be the view of the other thread. Hopefully I was using hyperbole.
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I just mean that if you hated the first episode you probably won’t like any of the episodes that follow (even though each episode is getting better). But if you enjoy the first episode, the show as a whole is pretty fun.
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### Author:  [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/7 "2008-02-18T22:36:53Z")
I liked from the first. I don’t think it’s "bad’ at all. certainly much better than the “Bionic Woman” relaunch. There are some parts of it that people regard as questionable or not being within continuity.
For example, the head of the Terminator “Cromartie” went forward in time with John, Sarah, and Cameron, despite having all the flesh blasted away from it, when it has been established only living tissue can travel through time. But many of us are letting it slide by saying the tissue was blasted from it at the last possible second.
But the overall quality is pretty decent. I think it’s very watchable.
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### Author:  [@WarmNPrickly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WarmNPrickly)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/8 "2008-02-18T22:52:10Z")
I liked the first episode. I like the show. One of the reasons I like it though is that I haven’t seen any of those liquid metal terminators. I hated T2 and didn’t bother with T3.
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### Author:  [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/9 "2008-02-19T00:21:27Z")
I’m with **Christopher**. I like the show, including the first episode.
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### Author:  [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/10 "2008-02-19T02:00:51Z")
[QUOTE=Mahaloth]
but still has some major plot problems.
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Only if you try to fit it rigidly within established movie continuity. But it’s a time-travel show, more or less, and in many ways it has to be separate to the movies, so it establishes its own continuity and keeps pretty well in that.
It’s early days to really see how it will ultimately go. Many of the specific “problems” people have with any given episode do sometimes get addressed subsequently. I think it has great potential, and is very well made.
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### Author:  [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/11 "2008-02-19T02:16:56Z")
[QUOTE=GuanoLad]
Only if you try to fit it rigidly within established movie continuity.
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I was thinking more about plot problems just within the show. Perhaps we could make a list somewhere, but I can think of a couple.
1. Why would the “evil” Terminator who was subbing bother taking a shot at John Conner(Reese), when there is a risk in missing(which he did)? Why not just casually walk up and “crush” him or break his neck or…anything?
2. Can Cameron behave like a human better or worse than the T1000? She convincingly fits in in the pilot episode, but then struggles to emote human feelings in the rest.
I’m sure there are more and better examples, but I wasn’t even thinking of the films when I mentioned plot problems.
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### Author:  [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/12 "2008-02-19T03:15:50Z")
I came looking for a thread discussing this last episode, and this was what I found.
I think it is improving. This last episode threw in some doubt about both Cameron and (something) Reese.
If you’re a real stickler about keeping the details intact, and you didn’t like the first episode because of that, then this probably isn’t the series for you. You kinda need some experience as a wrestling fan to be able to look past some stuff.
But, yeah, IMHO, it is getting better.
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### Author:  [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/13 "2008-02-19T04:16:20Z")
I just caught a couple of minutes of it tonight for the first time. I didn’t see enough to really follow the plot, but as a fan of the first two movies (what T3?), the tone felt right. I am intrigued by the Reese brother as a character, and the (apparently) ambiguous loyalties of the various Terminators : “sometimes they go bad…” oshit! :eek:
I am not sure I’ll rush home to watch it next week but if I channel-flip to it again I would certainly pause for a while.
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### Author:  [@Ring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ring)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/14 "2008-02-19T04:49:47Z")
I had to take a phone call just as Reese was going in to see John Connors. Would someone be so kind as to tell me what happened. Thanks.
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### Author:  [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/15 "2008-02-19T04:50:01Z")
You know how some shows explain everything up front and hold your hand through every single plot point? This ain’t one of those shows. I think some people got cheesed off by that… they want everything spoon fed. i.e. We don’t understand the Cameron character, wah wah wah!
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### Author:  [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/16 "2008-02-19T05:27:49Z")
[QUOTE=Mahaloth]
1. Can Cameron behave like a human better or worse than the T1000? She convincingly fits in in the pilot episode, but then struggles to emote human feelings in the rest.
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In all fairness, it’s probably easier to imitate a jerk cop than a teenage girl. A cop just has to stand there all stoic while teenagers tend to be emotional and obsess over everything different about each other.
I’m liking the show more an more, but it’s not nearly as dark as T1. The terminators are getting a little nerfed too. Like you shouldn’t be able to trip one and they seem to miss a lot.
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### Author:  [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/17 "2008-02-19T06:09:35Z")
[QUOTE=Mahaloth]
1. Why would the “evil” Terminator who was subbing bother taking a shot at John Conner(Reese), when there is a risk in missing(which he did)? Why not just casually walk up and “crush” him or break his neck or…anything?
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I’m not following this - could you explain what you are talking about?
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> 1. Can Cameron behave like a human better or worse than the T1000? She convincingly fits in in the pilot episode, but then struggles to emote human feelings in the rest.
I can agree with this gripe. The only logical explanation is that Cameron was a totally spooky isolated teen in the Texas high school before John **Connor** showed up. Or maybe the producer/director/writers figured they needed to dial back her humanness after viewing the pilot.
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### Author:  [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/18 "2008-02-19T06:19:55Z")
[QUOTE=Ring]
I had to take a phone call just as Reese was going in to see John Connors. Would someone be so kind as to tell me what happened. Thanks.
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Look [here](http://www.fox.com/fod/player.htm?show=tscc) for a replay.
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### Author:  [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/19 "2008-02-19T07:45:35Z")
So, about tonight’s episode… did Dereck last episode say he did NOT kill Andy Good? So we know he was lying? But don’t know who stole the Turk? Or have I lost track of what was going on?
And does anyone have any idea what the deal with the house, the piano, and the jet plane was?
On a different note… one of the time travelling resistane fighters is… BUBBLES!
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### Author:  [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2008, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-improved/438145/20 "2008-02-19T08:37:43Z")
[QUOTE=MaxTheVool]
So, about tonight’s episode… did Dereck last episode say he did NOT kill Andy Good? So we know he was lying? But don’t know who stole the Turk? Or have I lost track of what was going on?
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On top of that…didn’t Cameron say the tattoo came from a Skynet work camp, but we actually saw him getting branded with the tattoo in the torture house? (And now she’s hording coltan and CPUs…hmmm…)
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> And does anyone have any idea what the deal with the house, the piano, and the jet plane was?
Skynet’s searching for Cylon infiltrators. (Or they were brainwashing sleeper agents/torturing prisoners for the location of human shelters, and the house happened to be under the landing approach for Charles Forbin International Airport)
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