# Has the world actually been cooling since 2002? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 19, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728 "2014-02-19T19:32:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728/701 "2014-03-11T03:15:19Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > 1 - You agreed that there is a “pause” With lots of caveats, and even taking into account that it may not had been. > [@RaftPeople](#): > > 2 - If it’s controversial then that is exactly when you discuss the data That is really a point only creationists would be proud, not all controversies are sensible. Like \*\*wolfpup \*\*said, what FX did was pointless. > [@RaftPeople](#): > > What exactly is **FX** implying that you think I am falling for? Again, you said global, when his op was really about the northern hemisphere, winters and just surface temperatures. Of course, he can claim to be discussing the NH when pressured, but as you showed, the idea was to make others think that it was a global deal. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728/702 "2014-03-11T03:18:37Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I think [this cartoon](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rpiegz3et3E/S32M_HlGFQI/AAAAAAAAANg/BWKaSLHuwWE/s400/30de0jb.jpg) sums up the answer to that sort of question. It is a good rendering of a straw man. Please let all the conservatives like Barry Bickmore, Richard Alley, Kerry Emmanuel and former advisers to Reagan that they are from the left too. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728/703 "2014-03-11T06:41:07Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > With lots of caveats, and even taking into account that it may not had been. But based on the available measurements, you agreed there is a pause, right? It’s possible the heat is in a place not being measured, and it’s possible something else is going on, either way scientists don’t really know what’s up. They have some hypothesis, but nothing confirmed. > [@](#): > > That is really a point only creationists would be proud, not all controversies are sensible. Like \*\*wolfpup \*\*said, what FX did was pointless. You’re the one that called it controversial. You remember that right? > [@](#): > > Again, you said global, when his op was really about the northern hemisphere, winters and just surface temperatures. Of course, he can claim to be discussing the NH when pressured, but as you showed, the idea was to make others think that it was a global deal. The OP discussed the global mean, the NH winters and the SH summers and a variety of other data. Why don’t you just come out and tell me what **FX** is implying? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728/704 "2014-03-11T08:51:24Z")
Since I can’t say it here,[I will say it there](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17182683&postcount=2123). I clearly explained that the NH winters seem to be so cold, that they actually cause the entire world to seem like it has “paused” in warming. Because of the way “science” adds the global averages together to get an annual global mean, it’s creating an illusion that there is a pause. In reality, if you look at just the NH warm season trend, the warming doesn’t seem to have paused at all. Ah, I just realized that some may not underdtand what that means. NH warm season does not mean just the NH, it refers to the time period of May-October. The GISS map still shows the entire world, it does not mean it is only about the NH. That may be the deniers problem, they think when I say NH cold season, it is about the NH only. It is not. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728/705 "2014-03-11T09:00:24Z")
For example, looking at the last six years,[the warm season shows](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2014&month_last=1&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0506&year1=2007&year2=2013&base1=1990&base2=2010&radius=1200&pol=rob) .06 C rise. [The cold season shows](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2014&month_last=1&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0506&year1=2007&year2=2013&base1=1990&base2=2010&radius=1200&pol=rob) - .09 C The [February trend](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2014&month_last=1&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=2007&year2=2013&base1=1990&base2=2010&radius=1200&pol=rob) and the [January trend](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2014&month_last=1&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=2007&year2=2013&base1=1990&base2=2010&radius=1200&pol=rob) clearly differ from [the summer trend](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2014&month_last=1&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0603&year1=2007&year2=2013&base1=1990&base2=2010&radius=1200&pol=rob). Note the cooling arctic trend. Certainly 7 years is too short to make climate change statements. And 2006 was used because that was the first year of the extremely cold winters in Europe. (the US followed with the 09/10 winter) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728/706 "2014-03-11T09:30:10Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > But based on the available measurements, you agreed there is a pause, right? > > It’s possible the heat is in a place not being measured, and it’s possible something else is going on, either way scientists don’t really know what’s up. They have some hypothesis, but nothing confirmed. Overall even the cites used tell us that the warming will continue for the simple reason that the human factor will not magically disappear. > [@RaftPeople](#): > > You’re the one that called it controversial. > > You remember that right? So it means then that if I say then that there is no controversy among the scientists that what FX is doing are misleading cherry picks then you will agree? :rolleyes: What I’m saying that it is mostly a manufactured controversy by FX. > [@RaftPeople](#): > > The OP discussed the global mean, the NH winters and the SH summers and a variety of other data. > > Why don’t you just come out and tell me what **FX** is implying? Again, he is implying that he knows more than what the experts from NASA GISS and others report. [http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/upsDownsGlobalWarming.html](http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/upsDownsGlobalWarming.html) > [@](#): > > According to the vast majority of climate scientists, the planet is heating up1. Scientists have concluded that this appears to be the result of increased human emissions of greenhouse gases, especially carbon dioxide, which trap heat near the surface of Earth. However, some information sources – blogs, websites, media articles and other voices – highlight that the planet has been cooling since a peak in global temperature in 1998. This cooling is only part of the picture, according to a recent study that has looked at the world’s temperature record over the past century or more. > > In their recently published research paper2 entitled “Is the climate warming or cooling?”, David Easterling of the U.S. National Climate Data Center and Michael Wehner of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory show that naturally occurring periods of no warming or even slight cooling can easily be part of a longer-term pattern of global warming. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728/707 "2014-03-11T09:43:58Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Since I can’t say it here,[I will say it there](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17182683&postcount=2123). > > I clearly explained that the NH winters seem to be so cold, that they actually cause the entire world to seem like it has “paused” in warming. Because of the way “science” adds the global averages together to get an annual global mean, it’s creating an illusion that there is a pause. In reality, if you look at just the NH warm season trend, the warming doesn’t seem to have paused at all. > > Ah, I just realized that some may not underdtand what that means. > > NH warm season does not mean just the NH, it refers to the time period of May-October. The GISS map still shows the entire world, it does not mean it is only about the NH. > > That may be the deniers problem, they think when I say NH cold season, it is about the NH only. It is not. Yep, pointless in the end. And give it up. You were caught with your silly attempt at using your cherry picks to show something else besides some NH cooling, just winters there and debunked nonsense from deniers. If you are accepting that the warming continues and as NASA and others report that humans are driving the recent warming, then what you did so far was just a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728/708 "2014-03-11T09:46:56Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Again, he is implying that he knows more than what the experts from NASA GISS and others report. I’m not “implying” that, I am straight up claiming it. In regards to the trends, and the reason for “the pause”, you and everyone else reading the topic also now know more than they do. Or rather, more than they can publicly state. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728/709 "2014-03-11T10:06:43Z")
So they _want_ to say different, but they’re being stifled … _somehow_, is that what you’re saying? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728/710 "2014-03-11T10:16:37Z")
You know what? That’s enough. Everyone go outside and enjoy a spring day. It was beautiful down here yesterday. 1. We’re wandering into conspiracy theory territory. 2. The meaningless cite wars are convincing no one. 3. That link in FX 4:51 is just another app slam and I’m being generous not warning on it. So saith I: give it a rest. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728/711 "2014-03-11T10:47:40Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Since I can’t say it here,[I will say it there](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17182683&postcount=2123). Sorry. Linking to an outside statement and pretending that you have not explicitly continued a claim that you were told to stop in a specific forum fails. This is a Warning that such behavior is not acceptable. [/Moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-the-world-actually-been-cooling-since-2002/681728.md?page=35)