Has the world actually been cooling since 2002?

Sinks are quantified all the time :confused:. Earth would be like Venus if we didn’t have them.

What we don’t have is any historical examples where d[sup]2[/sup][CO[sub]2 (sink)[/sub]]/dt[sup]2[/sup] keeps up with our current anthropogenic d[sup]2[/sup][CO[sub]2 (out)[/sub]]/dt[sup]2[/sup].

So yeah, orders-of-magnitude differences in time scale are completely different questions. I’m not sure why there is confusion here.

You just described your reaction to the facts in this thread.

You can’t grasp the point, which is clear in the OP.

You want to cherry pick so results only show your view.

You refuse to respond to the peer reviewed papers used as evidence, and of course ignore the actual data from GISS

You repeat the same thing over and over

Priceless.

The claims in your OP are based on cherry-picked bullshit. Ignoring that fact doesn’t make it go away.

Says the guy who just finished a marathon of cherry-picked obfuscation in the OP, who ignored the actual numbers from GISS that I posted, and who’s been repeating the same thing over and over for a couple of months now. :smiley:

And FX also ignores that all the current experts and scientists at NASA and GISS do not approve how FX is using their data. And he also continues to refuse to listen to their conclusions. If it was just me I would be worried, but no matter how much he puffs, the experts agree with what I report, not the cherry pickers.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20140121/

What does d[sup]2[/sup][CO[sub]2 (sink)[/sub]]/dt[sup]2[/sup] equal to is my question. Although I’d rather have the original function unless you have the constants of integration at hand. “Completely different questions” implies a completely different physics, and that is plainly not so. The Alarmist position is that all 400 ppm are man-made, when in fact only 100 ppm are. That’s nothing to be alarmed about. The claim that these natural sinks are quickly becoming saturated needs to be demostrated. Otherwise we’re back to the “asteroids will kill us quicker”.

The sinks don’t need to be saturated. If they were saturated, we’d be dead. But we have evidence of them ever accelerating at the pace of our emissions.

Who is this alarmist you are quoting? She’s wrong. But that means little.

What is going on with watchwolf49 claims is that they are perfect examples of straw men, experts and scientists are not claiming what he is reporting.

Alarmist …

Broken perspective, as it is painfully obvious, you ignore that real alarmists are people like Lovelock and they are not respected by most scientists, what most scientists (and I linked to NASA in my post there) report are really just the most likely effects to come (and that are already here) if no concerted effort is made to control our emissions. Other very possible issues are ignored only by recklessly denying the danger levels. Uncertainty is not your friend.

The real alarmism comes from groups that claim that dealing with the issue will mean the end of civilization.

Talk about not getting it…

Wow.

We already know that you are not getting what NASA and GISS report, as it is clear you will never convince scientists, academia, and people that look at pseudoscience for a living that you are correct.

Even at the philosophical level, the ones with more experience know were to put people that ignore what the real scientists conclude.

From the Standford Encyclopedia of philosophy:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pseudo-science/

So, just huff and puff from your part FX. The reality is that you do follow a conspiracy theory and a very corrosive one.

When evidence and reality don’t matter, what is the point of science?

Not even philosophers agree with you, when even woodfortress.org is telling you not to do cherry picks and then you do it with their data, one can only conclude that the pseudoscience is strong with you. But that is not something to be proud of.

Hey look! Since 2002, even GISS shows the entire global mean went down. The earth is cooling?

Science response - “The data shows this to be true. Let us dioscover why this is so.”

Batspit warmist response - “You cherry picked! You lie! You are AN INSANE PERSON!”

The majority of the people alive in the world - “So what?”

I usually ignore things that simply can’t be responded to, in any rational way. But this one is funny at a Meta level.

So, I’m ignoring all the experts at NASA and GISS who “do not approve” of what I am doing.

Damn, I had no idea I was so important.

Scientists and experts are discussing me? Can you imagine? Sitting around the table, drinking coffee, the top climate experts as GISS are in deep conversation.

“Did you see what FX did last night? Son of a bitch ignored what we told him. He’s got nerve.”

“Well, what do you think we ought to do about it?”

OK I can’t keep going. I got the giggles.

Uh, no, the point was that your declarations are not important among the scientists, academics and people that investigate pseudoscience for a living and even philosophers.

What is important at a level where we are, in an anonymous message board that fights ignorance, is that you still are not able to produce a single quote from a researcher from NASA GISS and others that agree that your cherry picks are even important.

The complete science response to your incomplete say so that “The data shows this to be true. Let us dioscover why this is so.” is that warming is still coming after this “pause” that it is even more likely that it was not a pause as many contrarians like to believe.

On top of that the majority of the world does see the that there is a problem, even that declaration of yours is an error.

One calls their own judgement one way or another.

It’s possible we could get smacked with a house-sized asteroid later today, and we’d have no warning. You’ve chosen to use words like “recklessly” and “danger”. These words touch upon the human psyche in profound ways. That is why they are avoided in scientific discussions. The Dutch have been dealing with sea level rises since the floods of the 13th century, nothing to be alarmed about, certainly there’s nothing reckless happening in Holland right now.

Indeed: even that last declaration of yours is an error, “The majority of the people alive in the world” do not go “so what”. As reported, it is a mistake of yours, like virtually everything else that you declare.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147242/worldwide-blame-climate-change-falls-humans.aspx

Who pays for that?

And before you answer take into account that one party in power is telling us that there is no problem, so nothing needs to be done to prepare.

The risks also include the very denial efforts made to mislead many into not doing anything or a concerted effort to then minimize the costs.

It’s so totally ironic, you know? Because everything I posted in the OP was from the people you claim to speak for.

You seem to think I made things up, which is hilarious actually. I give links to solid evidence for every last claim I make.

It’s why you are so lovable and funny.