# Has this many people ever wished for one person to die? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169 "2020-10-04T04:46:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/181 "2020-10-05T22:55:26Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > > > Tens of thousands of USA citizens die every year through a lack of affordable healthcare. This has been going on for decades. Administrations of both stripes have failed to do anything meaningful about it whether by incompetency or obstruction or inaction. > > Scene… there has been a shipwreck and 3 people have survived. 2 of them are in a lifeboat, and 1 is still in the water. The two on the boat are arguing and fighting rather than saving the third victim, who drowns. Do the two people in the boat share the blame of the third person dying? > > Does your answer change if you learn that one person was trying to throw a rope out to save the third person, and the other was fighting to prevent him from doing so? You need to bring the analogy a little closer in: There’s someone in the water. They’re going to drown. It’s a dark night. It’s raining. Why should I believe you? I can’t see or hear anyone. I can hear them, right over there. That is just the wind and the waves. Give me that rope so I can toss them a line. You just want to get credit for saving their life. Give me the damn rope. There is no room for them in the lifeboat. We’ll sink. Or capsize getting them in. There’s plenty of room in the boat, give me the rope. I am using it to hold my trousers up. You’re sitting down, you don’t need it. I might decide to stand up. In this little boat? You’ll tip us over. You just want to get praised for saving their life. I am teaching them the value of learning how to swim. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/182 "2020-10-05T23:33:28Z")
The point is now moot-The diseased rat has escaped his cage. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/183 "2020-10-05T23:34:59Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > > > Sometimes I forget how loving and tolerant liberals are. Thanks for the timely reminder. > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > Sometimes I forget how utterly stupid Trump supporters are. > > You’ll note that they’ve pretty much stopped pretending that they’re not morally bankrupt hypocrites and liars. All they can do now is to use those powers to spread ludicrous claims that liberals and/or Democrats are just as bad. I used to think it was hyperbolic to say all Republicans were trash. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/184 "2020-10-05T23:36:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The point is now moot-The diseased rat has escaped his cage Doesn’t mean he’s not sick. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/185 "2020-10-06T00:42:06Z")
Well look on the bright side - if he heads straight for the White House this will give him the chance to infect more morons and prevent them getting destructive work done (not counting decent workingfolk like Secret Service agents, janitors and housekeepers of course. Hopefully they all get to keep their distance from Plague Force One a bit better than yesterday) ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/186 "2020-10-06T00:44:55Z")
There are hard working people at the WH: cooks, cleaners, secret service agents and others. Trump will kill them. He will continue to spew his nonsense about COVID and his base will go out without masks and kill other hard working decent people. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/187 "2020-10-06T00:55:25Z")
Not to mention innocent friends and family members. If your point depends on innocents getting sick and/or dying, think up a new point. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/188 "2020-10-06T01:45:10Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > > [@Czarcasm](#): > > > > The point is now moot-The diseased rat has escaped his cage > > Doesn’t mean he’s not sick. A rabid dog is dreadfully ill, but that does not stop it running around trying to bite other critters. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/189 "2020-10-06T01:50:07Z")
_man smiting brow, contemplating red button.gif_ 1. We need Trump alive so the election will have legitimacy 2. We need Trump to die so that basic reason and science will have primacy Unrelated to any other thing in this thread, I have a couple of bottles of champagne on speed-chill and I have no idea why. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/190 "2020-10-06T01:52:46Z")
you know a lot of people who say everyone’s being to mean top trump would have the same feelings about certain germans in the early-mid 40s… I mean hey Germany never attacked America right? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/191 "2020-10-06T07:56:51Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I used to think it was hyperbolic to say all Republicans were trash. Not all Republicans, but all those who continue to support Trump certainly have a lot to answer for. > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > _man smiting brow, contemplating red button.gif_ > > 1. We need Trump alive so the election will have legitimacy > 2. We need Trump to die so that basic reason and science will have primacy #2 wouldn’t happen even if he died, so it’s a moot point. Trump needs to be discredited amongst his followers, not made a martyr to his own ignorance and ego. ---
**Author:** ![Psychopants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Psychopants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Psychopants)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/192 "2020-10-06T10:25:35Z")
This outcome would be perfect if it also included banning him from social media - or ANY medium, for that matter. No Twitter, FB, Insta, TV, radio, film. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/193 "2020-10-06T15:13:42Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > I used to think it was hyperbolic to say all Republicans were trash. > > Not all Republicans, but all those who continue to support Trump certainly have a lot to answer for. I’m personally willing to broad-brush every single person who votes for any Republican from dog-catcher up to Senator in addition to people specifically endorsing Trump. They provide the support Trump needs to act as he does. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2020, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/194 "2020-10-06T15:57:03Z")
Me too. The GOP is the party of Trump, the Proud Boys and Neo-Nazis. It’s like trying to find good people in ISIS, not worth the effort. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/195 "2020-10-07T02:35:31Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > > [@Cheesesteak](#): > > > > Scene… there has been a shipwreck and 3 people have survived. 2 of them are in a lifeboat, and 1 is still in the water. The two on the boat are arguing and fighting rather than saving the third victim, who drowns. Do the two people in the boat share the blame of the third person dying? > > > > > Does your answer change if you learn that one person was trying to throw a rope out to save the third person, and the other was fighting to prevent him from doing so? > > In all cases the people acting against the best interests of those in need are the ones who are to blame. As would be the case where people in the boat didn’t do all they could to ensure the drowning people were saved. > > Your point is? Well, what if the person in the water was Hitler just before he came to power and the one fighting to prevent the rope being thrown knew what was to come, but the other guy in the boat didn’t. There is no real point because we can go on and on and on with this. Is it really morally superior to show mercy and sympathy to someone who deliberately and with malice, hurts & kills children. Who will continue to do so, and likely much worse, if he lives and remains in power. I would cheer at his death because it may/may not make the world a better place, but it will bring an end to the current suffering in his detention camps. I’m morally inferior, but very practical. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/196 "2020-10-08T01:22:14Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > …If I get a free wish, it would be simply that he do no further harm. He’d have to die for that to be possible. I don’t wish for him to die. I think his death would be greatly beneficial to this country because he is a malignant cancer upon our great experiment. So, in a sense, I hope for it. I fear the malignancy has spread, so removing the original tumor might not save us entirely. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169/197 "2020-10-08T01:44:44Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > Well, what if the person in the water was Hitler just before he came to power and the one fighting to prevent the rope being thrown knew what was to come, but the other guy in the boat didn’t. Obviously you have difficulty comprehending “analogy”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-this-many-people-ever-wished-for-one-person-to-die/922169.md?page=9)