# Has Twickster finally jumped the shark? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [February 20, 2013, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868 "2013-02-20T07:34:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/81 "2013-02-20T20:19:54Z")
> [@the lone cashew](#): > > I just don’t see the reason for the vitriol. It’s just a religious opinion someone has, it doesn’t change what might be the truth and so really doesn’t matter. > > And like I said, those that derailed the thread in order to challenge the view were the real threadshitters, imo. If someone had question or beef, they should have started another thread about it. And I think you’ve found an opportunity here in ATMB to support JOSH’s agenda without dipping a toe in the pit. Not everyone finds eternal damnation quite so mundane. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/82 "2013-02-20T20:21:17Z")
Take this discussion to GD or the Pit, please - or just let it go. ---
**Author:** ![Ostrya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/35a633/32.png) [@Ostrya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ostrya)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/83 "2013-02-20T20:30:16Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **It’s a hijack, not really a threadshit** - she appears to want to participate in the discussion and wasn’t mocking the topic. She went off on a tangent that didn’t have to be part of that thread. I’m not surprised other posters weren’t able to ignore it even if ideally they would have done just that. Point taken, I stand corrected. But to the rest non bolded, to be honest Marley, she went off tangent only when challenged, was only responding to attacking posters. Like you, I am also unsurprised that other posters weren’t able to ignore the comment, but I think they should have. It just seems like yet another harmless opinion that someone is entitled to and nothing to get upset about. Or if reason to be upset, take it to another thread right away rather than disrupt the current one. Okay, will drop the topic now. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/84 "2013-02-20T20:52:09Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I agreed with **twickster** ’s modding of this post, by the way. **Nunzio Tavulari** ’s comment is about the real James Otto, but it’s a joke at the expense of **James Otto Sweet Heart**. It doesn’t belong in Cafe Society. I agree with that. It was a joke at our new friends expense. If JOSH had seen it there would have been a derailment I’m sure. But JOSH was not in the thread. The joke wasn’t particularly mean-spirited. I have no problem with it being moderated. But the degree of moderation seemed excessive (nice oxymoron there, excessive moderation). ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/85 "2013-02-20T20:54:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That would tie up moderation so bad nothing would get done in a timely manner(if at all). I disagree. I think it’s perfectly possible for a mod considering a warning to drop a note into the thread telling the poster their post was over the line and will be discussed in the mod loop, then later follow up with either a warning or a brief note that the consensus view was that the mod note was sufficient. As a short-term exercise, it doesn’t seem that onerous to me. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/86 "2013-02-20T20:56:55Z")
I was all in favor of criticizing twickster in the last thread that came up here (and I thought for a moment this might have been that thread and just got bumped, based on the number of posts it had). But **twickster** made the right call this time and I have absolutely no problem with the tone of her moderation. It sounded exactly like every other mod note/warning I’ve seen. It certainly wasn’t a backhanded asshole comment like she pulled off before. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/87 "2013-02-20T21:09:22Z")
I actually like Twickster’s Moderating. And she was correct here. But I make a plea for mercy to have the Warning downgraded to a Note. This was very obscure and you really have to be ‘in the know” to understand why Moderation was called for. ---
**Author:** ![Krav\_Manga](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/krav_manga/32/3153_2.png) [@Krav\_Manga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krav_Manga)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/88 "2013-02-20T21:21:27Z")
One of the problems is that people don’t like hypocrisy, and you have a moderator who has repeatedly broken the rules that she so aggressively enforces against other posters. While there may have been some super secret moderator’s eyes only consequences for Twickster’s breaches, the perception is that she was able to get away with it. For her then to throw around warnings and terms like ‘jerk’ for far more innocuous breaches than her own is galling. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/89 "2013-02-20T21:28:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But I make a plea for mercy to have the Warning downgraded to a Note. This was very obscure and you really have to be ‘in the know” to understand why Moderation was called for. The poster knew what it meant, though. That’s how in-jokes were. > [@Krav\_Manga](#): > > For her then to throw around warnings and terms like ‘jerk’ for far more innocuous breaches than her own is galling. No matter how galled you choose to be, we’ve been telling posters “don’t be a jerk” pretty much since forever. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/90 "2013-02-20T21:31:42Z")
> [@moriah](#): > > Well, here’s part of the problem. Regardless of the rightness or wrongness of the moderation, it could have been worded with less personal gall. This form of moderation only stirs things up rather than cools things off. It could have been worded: > \*I recently warned you not to insult or make jabs at another user in Cafe Society and here you’re doing it again outside of The Pit and off topic. For now this is an official warning but further action may happen dependent upon review of the moderation team.\*See, no need to use ‘knock it off’ or ‘snark’ or ‘[you were] a jerk’ or explicit threats of being banned. This seems like a funny thing to object to. Sure, I agree that there are probably more tactful ways of saying ‘you fucked up again and we are probably going to ban you’, but seriously, what’s the point? If one objection to **twickster** ’s modding is she isn’t all hearts and flowers to people who are not going to be around long anyway, that doesn’t strike me as a serious flaw. That having been said, I have never heard of James Otto, and spotted his number 1 fan as someone who is being irritating on the boards, not necessarily by accident, and saw the moderation incident in question as an effort to keep people from taking cheap shots in CS. No matter if the object of the cheap shot is looking to get on people’s nerves anyway. I don’t get the **twickster** hate, so maybe I don’t see the same context as others do. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/91 "2013-02-20T21:36:15Z")
Not to point any fingers in this thread, but where do I post a thread to bitch about all the whiners who are making ATMB threads about seemingly every single mod note that gets written? I’m verklempt. I think such a thread needs lots of profanity, but I don’t see how it can avoid discussing board issues, and the Pit doesn’t allow that and ATMB doesn’t allow the necessary profanity. I believe we need a new forum. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/92 "2013-02-20T21:42:11Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Not to point any fingers in this thread, but where do I post a thread to bitch about all the whiners who are making ATMB threads about seemingly every single mod note that gets written? It must really suck to have someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to open and read threads you don’t want to. Maybe on your next potty break you can sneak out the window and run to the police station. I do suggest pulling your pants up first because apparantly the police don’t take too kindly to folk who run into their station with their ding-dongs hanging out swaying to and fro. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/93 "2013-02-20T21:42:59Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Not to point any fingers in this thread, but where do I post a thread to bitch about all the whiners who are making ATMB threads about seemingly every single mod note that gets written? > > I’m verklempt. I think such a thread needs lots of profanity, but I don’t see how it can avoid discussing board issues, and the Pit doesn’t allow that and ATMB doesn’t allow the necessary profanity. > > I believe we need a new forum. Why can’t you Pit the posters who are annoying you? How is that against the rules? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/94 "2013-02-20T21:51:25Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > No matter how galled you choose to be, we’ve been telling posters “don’t be a jerk” pretty much since forever. Yeah it seems a little weird to have the number 1 rule be “Don’t be a jerk” and then prohibit mods from using the word jerk. Its clear, concise and it works. I have no problem with her language in the post. I just think it was way too mild an infraction to warrant a warning and a review of posting privledges. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/95 "2013-02-20T21:57:06Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I do suggest pulling your pants up first because apparantly the police don’t take too kindly to folk who run into their station with their ding-dongs hanging out swaying to and fro. Oh sure - NOW you tell me. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/96 "2013-02-20T22:08:42Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Not to point any fingers in this thread, but where do I post a thread to bitch about all the whiners who are making ATMB threads about seemingly every single mod note that gets written? The Pit. > [@](#): > > I believe we need a new forum. Because the mods all need some more work. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/97 "2013-02-20T22:12:17Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Why can’t you Pit the posters who are annoying you? How is that against the rules? It’s not that I can’t Pit them. It’s that discussing the reasons for the pitting are likely to also include discussions of moderator actions and board issues, which aren’t supposed to be there. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/98 "2013-02-20T22:12:22Z")
…okay: to be crystal clear here: [are these posts in this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=682932) where the same poster is being openly mocked outside of the pit (including mocking by a moderator) deserving of infractions? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/99 "2013-02-20T22:24:23Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …okay: to be crystal clear here: [are these posts in this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=682932) where the same poster is being openly mocked outside of the pit (including mocking by a moderator) deserving of infractions? No. It’s a little unreasonable to expect an ATMB thread about signoffs and signatures to have no jokes about signatures. ---
**Author:** ![Krav\_Manga](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/krav_manga/32/3153_2.png) [@Krav\_Manga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krav_Manga)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/100 "2013-02-20T22:38:29Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > No matter how galled you choose to be, we’ve been telling posters “don’t be a jerk” pretty much since forever. You’ve missed my point (perhaps because I haven’t phrased it very well). It is galling to see a moderator warn a poster for being a jerk, **when that same moderator has been guilty of the same infractions without seeming to have been disciplined herself**. It strikes me that she is very quick to fire off a warning to others, but doesn’t practice what she preaches. I don’t think this is a reasonable trait in a moderator. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868.md?page=6)