# Has Twickster finally jumped the shark? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [February 20, 2013, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868 "2013-02-20T07:34:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/141 "2013-02-21T16:38:40Z")
Would you consider the twickster dislike to [del]be naturalborn (naturalborne? natural-born? natural-borne?)[/del] have arisen natively or as the product of an active campaign? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/142 "2013-02-21T16:46:53Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Would you consider the twickster dislike to [del]be naturalborn (naturalborne? natural-born? natural-borne?)[/del] have arisen natively or as the product of an active campaign? Personally, I’d peg it at 20%/80%, based on actual complaints from those she has modded and those that participated in/followed the threads involved versus those who repeat old claims and/or those who make the same complaint several times in the same thread and/or those who admit that they actually had no problem with a current decision but _still_… What I’m trying to say that while there are legitimate resaons to complain sometimes, there is also a lot of what I consider to be padding. Just my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/143 "2013-02-21T16:46:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I happen to have a different opinion because I’m not big on mob rule i.e. “As long as you don’t make any unpopular decisions you’re all right with us.” There’s a pretty yawning gap between not making _any_ unpopular decisions and not making lots. As I pointed out before, **twicks** mods MPSIMS. If a mod is having trouble maintaining control over kitteh picture and MMPs controversies, maybe it just ain’t her bag. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/144 "2013-02-21T16:48:38Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > There’s a pretty yawning gap between not making _any_ unpopular decisions and not making lots. As I pointed out before, **twicks** mods MPSIMS. If a mod is having trouble maintaining control over kitteh picture and MMPs controversies, maybe it just ain’t her bag. And maybe it’s at some point inbetween. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/145 "2013-02-21T16:53:43Z")
There is also the problem of MPSIMS - that it is the catch-all forum for stuff that doesn’t fit anywhere else. Some people forget that it isn’t GD or The Pit and act in ways that will get them called out. Just because it is “all kitteh pictures” doesn’t mean people aren’t jerks there. Could the moderating be smoother? Sure. Would I want to do it? Oh, hell no. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/146 "2013-02-21T16:53:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What I’m trying to say that while there are legitimate resaons to complain sometimes, there is also a lot of what I consider to be padding. Just my opinion. So how do you explain the fact that she is the only moderator guaranteed to cause a multi-page thread in ATMB on a monthly basis? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/147 "2013-02-21T17:00:35Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > So how do you explain the fact that she is the only moderator guaranteed to cause a multi-page thread in ATMB on a monthly basis? 1. Apparently in this biz someone has to be the low person on the totem pole. 2. Pushed perception. In this thread people have admitted that she made the right decision, and yet you(and others) have added this thread to the list to show that she is unpopular. By doing this you inadvertedly help to create the perception you are also reporting-a self fulfilling prophesy of sorts. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/148 "2013-02-21T17:26:12Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > And with minimal animosity: Is **FoieGrasIsEvil** in the top 5% of poster when it comes to complaining about moderation. If so, does it tell us anything? Surely you cannot be serious. I had a recent thread asking a question about moderation. Oooh, that’s me, such a complainer! ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/149 "2013-02-21T17:29:17Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Because your opinions about a mod don’t turn a very typical and acceptable warning into a rules violation. You’re welcome to your views on any mod note or warning and any mod, but that doesn’t mean **twickster** can’t say something the rest of us say all the time. I’m not saying it does, but if you don’t think that everything someone with a bad history does will be viewed in that light, you’re crazy. As far as this particular modding goes, I don’t think what she did is even remotely a violation. Some of her other recent actions are much more questionable. > [@Marley23](#): > > She’s on the staff because we want her on the staff, and that’s because we feel she does a good job. Right about here is where you lose everyone… ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/150 "2013-02-21T17:39:39Z")
So, is this thread about which pitches \*\*twickster \*\*calls balls and which pitches \*\*twickster \*\*calls strikes, or is it about _the way_ she calls balls and strikes? Either way it’s ridiculous. Insults are hard to judge. \*\*Nunzio \*\*can’t be \*surprised \*his post was deemed snarky/insulting, and it came out of nowhere. And the smart-ass way moderators moderate has a long and storied history here. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/151 "2013-02-21T17:44:12Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > I’m not saying it does, but if you don’t think that everything someone with a bad history does will be viewed in that light, you’re crazy. I understand that. I’m saying that history doesn’t always translate into a rational complaint, and in this case it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/152 "2013-02-21T17:51:47Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Right about here is where you lose everyone… And this post is an example of what I’ve talked about when I question the perceptions put forth in threads like these. Talking about how his statement loses you is one thing, but when you include the word “everyone” it indicates a large groundswell that just isn’t in evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/153 "2013-02-21T18:06:20Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Surely you cannot be serious. My post, like yours, was a hypothetical. ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/154 "2013-02-21T18:14:10Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > My point is: So? There have been some valid complaints, and then there is this. It reflects poorly on her moderating skills. A decent moderator shouldn’t have this many complaints, some of which that are actually valid where **twickster** actually had to apologize. Just look at you **Marley23** , **C K Dexter Haven** , **Gfactor** , **tomndebb** , **Ellen Cherry** , **Idle Thoughts** , and I’m sure there are many others. I don’t think there’s any other moderator/administrator that receives nearly as many complaints and especially _valid_ ones where the moderator must admit that what they did was wrong. > [@Marley23](#): > > You’ve been here since October; **twickster** has been on the staff for 3 1/2 years. Please don’t tell me about the history of people I know better than you do. My join date is irrelevant because I was able to find the links where **twickster** just by googling and going through old ATMB complaints about her. Just because I’ve only been here for four months doesn’t mean that I can’t see that **twickster** doesn’t practice what she preaches. Sure, you know **twickster** way better than I do. But it’s clear to most people here that she isn’t practicing what she preaches. That’s the point. It’s like enforcing rules which you don’t abide to yourself. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/155 "2013-02-21T18:22:58Z")
Do you people also complain when somebody cooks dinner for you, that they didn’t make it the same way you would have? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/156 "2013-02-21T18:23:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Has it actually been shown that the SDMB customer base itself isn’t fond of her moderating, or is it a select few repeat customers and those that frequent threads like this one? I would say the latter. I personally have no problem with twickster’s moderation. She shouldn’t be replaced because of the complaints of a vocal few. > [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Right about here is where you lose everyone… Speak for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/157 "2013-02-21T18:25:39Z")
To be fair to twickster, she was not aware that it was objectionable to call someone an asshole in violation of forum rules because no one actually reported it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/158 "2013-02-21T18:28:19Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > It reflects poorly on her moderating skills. Valid complaints reflect mistakes and bad judgments, and you can come to your own conclusions about anyone’s moderating skills. But volume alone does not reflect poor performance. I’ve had plenty of complaints - sometimes because I was wrong, others because I didn’t express my point clearly, and others because people didn’t like being moderated right or wrong. If you think **twickster** is doing a bad job, you’re entitled to your opinion- but volume alone doesn’t substantiate that claim. Nor does the “she moderated another mod!” thing. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/159 "2013-02-21T18:30:08Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > To be fair to twickster, she was not aware that it was objectionable to call someone an asshole in violation of forum rules because no one actually reported it. To be fair to the others in this thread, what does that have to do with the OP? You are highlighting my point that repeating old complaints adds nothing but volume to the perception seen by some here. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868/160 "2013-02-21T18:34:09Z")
If we are talking about whether a moderator should remain a moderator, does it matter if the complaint is old? That one is pretty damn egregious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/has-twickster-finally-jumped-the-shark/650868.md?page=9)