# Hat etiquette **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [September 21, 2001, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hat-etiquette/82980 "2001-09-21T07:56:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2001, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hat-etiquette/82980/21 "2001-09-29T21:10:11Z")
Irishman: Off-topic and just to clarify, I didn’t get the impression that the man was shot simply and solely because he wouldn’t stand for the Anthem. Toward the middle of the linked article is the line “Goddard muttered and drew a pistol.” ---
**Author:** ![Songbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@Songbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Songbird)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hat-etiquette/82980/22 "2001-09-30T19:20:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Irishman \* > Apparently I’ve lost all sense of humor. This is the third time in 2 days that I’ve gotten “It’s a joke, son” as a response. Maybe I just didn’t see it in context, but it didn’t seem funny to me … Like I said… murmuring would be appropriate to not be loud and boistrous and interrupt the show for others. But if the event hasn’t actually started and people are just getting situated, then the apology should be conversational, not mumbled. Maybe I just read that wrong, too. \*\* Yes, dear Irishman, you did. But I understand how it might be misconstrued if one weren’t familiar with the styles of Miss Manners or Emily Post. Most etiquette writers use a genteel voice, sometimes a bit snippy (when they feel someone has overstepped the boundaries of good taste), usually more than a bit formal and always excruciatingly correct. Some of us find them enjoyable and charming, others find them outright irritating. I can understand how you feel (she murmured) … 😉 SDStaff Songbird Straight Dope Science Advisory Board ---
**Author:** ![toadspittle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2001, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hat-etiquette/82980/23 "2001-10-01T14:06:52Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by jonfromdenver \* > \*\* > wait a minute…i thought the bible said it was shameful for WOMEN to leave the head uncovered in a house of worship_\* My mom (born 1940, New Jersey) has often told me how, when she was a kid, the girls all carried handkerchiefs in case they had to go into a church–they would use them to cover their heads. ---
**Author:** ![FriendRob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecc23a/32.png) [@FriendRob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriendRob)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hat-etiquette/82980/24 "2001-10-02T15:06:04Z")
So seeing the show wins out over the coiffure, but loyalty to the country doesn’t? Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hat-etiquette/82980/25 "2001-10-02T15:06:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jonfromdenver \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _originally posted by sford_ > > P.S. - among Jews, it is considered a show of _disrespect_ to leave the head uncovered (at least in a house of worship). > > wait a minute…i thought the bible said it was shameful for WOMEN to leave the head uncovered in a house of worship–thus we have stories of women getting their heads shaved as a punishment for some sin. am i mixing up my old and new testaments here? \*\* You may be. It’s in the Letters of Paul (NT, Christian) that there are some lines about how it behooves women to (a) let their hair grow long and (b) cover their heads in church. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hat-etiquette/82980/26 "2001-10-02T15:31:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JRDelirious \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by jonfromdenver \* > > wait a minute…i thought the bible said it was shameful for WOMEN to leave the head uncovered in a house of worship_\* > > You may be. It’s in the Letters of Paul (NT, Christian) \*\* Aha! here it is: First Letter to the Corinthians, Chapter 11 (NIV Version): > [@](#): > > 3 > Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. > 4 > Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. > 5 > And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head–it is just as though her head were shaved. > 6 > If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. > 7 > A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. > 8 > For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; > 9 > neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. > 10 > For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. > 11 > In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. > 12 > For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. > 13 > Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? > 14 > Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, > 15 > but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. Whooo, boy… Paul was having one of those days there, wasn’t he? But in the end he kind of damages his own argument by appealing to _“but anyone can see it’s natural”_… which you should not need to appeal to if you’re relaying God’s rules. From context it seems that the Corinthian congregation were kind of drifting into general disorderliness and the Apostle decided to just tear into _everything_ about what went on there. Then again, tradition has it that Paul was balding at an early age. Maybe he had issues with hair (and women). ---
**Author:** ![jonfromdenver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@jonfromdenver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jonfromdenver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hat-etiquette/82980/27 "2001-10-03T14:54:24Z")
thank you JR! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hat-etiquette/82980.md?page=1)