# Hate Speech In Ali RIP Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [June 6, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654 "2016-06-06T14:02:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/41 "2016-06-07T23:36:35Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If you aren’t going to say anything of substance, I don’t know either. > **Little\_Pig** was warned earlier for posting in such a way to suggest that he has problems with places where the majority of people are black, like Mississippi, which is not majority-black. And that is how we know that he has problems with places that are majority-black - because he has problems with places that aren’t. > > What’s not to understand? > > Regards, > Shodan Mississipi has the highest percentage of African Americans of any American state: 37.30. No state will have a majority AA population, since they make up a little less than 13 percent of the country. If you want to score pedant points over\*\* Idle Thoughts\*\* for his inapt phrasing, I guess no one can stop you. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/42 "2016-06-07T23:51:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > **Idle Thoughts** warned him for (among other things) hate speech. No, I did not. I warned him for trolling. That’s the reason that shows up on his profile under infractions and that’s the reason I warned him. ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/43 "2016-06-08T00:28:15Z")
That is certainly not the impression I got from the post I cited; > [@](#): > > **Idle Thoughts** said - This is a warning for you. **You have been modded and warned over using hate speech terms at least three times before** , and this post here is a combination of threadshitting, mild trolling (I feel), \*\*and saying the hate speech \*\*you seem to often use, so your posting privileges will now be discussed. Don’t post in this thread again if you can’t stop threadshitting in it. \<— emphasis mine You sure seem to be putting the majority of the weight on the hate speech aspect rather than the “threadshitting” and “(mild) trolling.” I think it is pretty clear what the driving force between your handing out the warning. Although you neglected to say what is was for (I’m guessing you thought it’d be obvious - and it was.) I think you back pedalled after you realized that using the hate-speech as basis for the warning was way insufficient in this case and you grasped at what you all but admitted were picayune reasons as an after-the-fact justification for a knee-jerk misstep. YMMV of course but that is how it reads to me. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/44 "2016-06-08T00:31:44Z")
The reason for handing out the warning was because I thought he was trolling and threadshitting…and the subtle racism only supported my feelings, which is why I mentioned it. ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/45 "2016-06-08T00:31:50Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > No, I did not. I warned him for trolling. That’s the reason that shows up on his profile under infractions and that’s the reason I warned him. Do you typically warn people for “mild trolling?” ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/46 "2016-06-08T01:00:38Z")
I have before, yes…especially if they have a history of getting warnings already. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/47 "2016-06-08T01:13:38Z")
If I were told not to use a particular word anymore, and then I sought out quotes that prominently featured said word, I would not expect any sympathy for any warning received. ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/48 "2016-06-08T01:30:36Z")
Ahh, but you needn’t worry about that. The hate speech was utterly incidental and not a meaningful factor in the warning. **Idle Thoughts** has said so. Quote away 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/49 "2016-06-08T02:26:07Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Mississipi has the highest percentage of African Americans of any American state: 37.30. No state will have a majority AA population, since they make up a little less than 13 percent of the country. If you want to score pedant points over\*\* Idle Thoughts\*\* for his inapt phrasing, I guess no one can stop you. Nitpicking mod decisions isn’t my favorite sport, and I am unfamiliar with **Little\_PIg** ’s posting history, but I still don’t understand how his posts had anything to do with the black population of Mississippi. The [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17491981) in question is about a run-off election in the republican primary, pitting the establishment incumbent (Cochran) against the tea-party insurgent (McDaniel). These are the posts cited by **Marley23** when he issued the warning: > [@Mississippi election for U.S. Senator](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-election-for-u-s-senator/690122/33): > > Mississippi is the shit house of the United States regardless of who wins. People must be fuck’in ignorant as all hell. > [@Mississippi election for U.S. Senator](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-election-for-u-s-senator/690122/35): > > [Backed by business groups such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Cochran argued that McDaniel would not be able to secure as many resources for a state that relies on federal dollars for nearly half of its state budget.](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-cochran-mcdaniel-mississippi-primary-20140624,0,784030.story) > > And McDaniel wanted to cut federal funding to his state? What a Dick. And he got 49.3 percent of the vote! Ignorance reigns in this Shit Hole of a state. **Marley23** told **Little\_Pig** that he was being a jerk, a warning I find a bit mystifying, but whatever. What I don’t get is any racial angle. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/50 "2016-06-08T03:33:27Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > Ahh, but you needn’t worry about that. The hate speech was utterly incidental and not a meaningful factor in the warning. **Idle Thoughts** has said so. Quote away 😉 That hate speech was the trolling. But nice legalistic defense. Perry Mason has competition. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/51 "2016-06-08T03:59:42Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > > [@Little\_Pig](#): > > > > Mississippi is the shit house of the United States regardless of who wins. People must be fuck’in ignorant as all hell. > > **Marley23** told **Little\_Pig** that he was being a jerk, a warning I find a bit mystifying Not mystifying at all to me: Anyone who spells f\*cking or fuckin’ as “fuck’in” not only deserves a warning but possibly a banning and a goon squad armed with pillowcases filled with doorknobs giving them a stern talking-to. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sich\_hinaufwinden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@sich\_hinaufwinden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sich_hinaufwinden)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/52 "2016-06-08T05:39:07Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Not mystifying at all to me: Anyone who spells f\*cking or fuckin’ as “fuck’in” not only deserves a warning but possibly a banning and a goon squad armed with pillowcases filled with doorknobs giving them a stern talking-to. 😉 So two doorknobs were in an oven. And the first doorknob turns to the second doorknob and says, “It’s getting pretty hot in here.” At which point the second doorknob screams, “OMG - a talking doorknob!” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/53 "2016-06-08T06:15:38Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > If I were told not to use a particular word anymore, and then I sought out quotes that prominently featured said word, I would not expect any sympathy for any warning received. Did you read post #5? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/54 "2016-06-08T14:31:52Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Did you read post #5? Yes, I did. And I still think he was purposely looking for quotes with the word in it just to needle. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/55 "2016-06-08T15:10:13Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Yes, I did. And I still think he was purposely looking for quotes with the word in it just to needle. You claimed that he was told not to use a particular word anymore. He wasn’t told that. I don’t see how anyone can know with any reasonable amount of certainty that he was purposely looking for a quote with that word. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/56 "2016-06-08T15:11:45Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > No, I did not. I warned him for trolling. That’s the reason that shows up on his profile under infractions and that’s the reason I warned him. I don’t think other users can see the infractions under somebody else’s profile - correct me if I am wrong. All we have to go on is what the mods say. And you said > [@](#): > > You have been modded and warned over using hate speech terms at least three times before, and this post here is a combination of threadshitting, mild trolling (I feel), and saying the hate speech you seem to often use… That sure looks to me like warning him > [@](#): > > for (among other things) hate speech. especially when you mention the hate speech twice, and characterize the main reason for the warning as “mild”. _:shrugs:_ Once we reach the point of ‘I didn’t say what I said’, I suspect we have reached an impasse. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/57 "2016-06-08T19:40:22Z")
Calling a woman a “bitch” by the standards of the day is hate speech. Quoting Meredith Brooks’s song “Bitch” is not hate speech. Words need to be taken into context to determine how hateful they are. Claiming I hate beets and wish they’d never grow in any garden of mine is hate speech and contains no coarse language. Context is key. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/58 "2016-06-08T22:49:54Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Claiming I hate beets and wish they’d never grow in any garden of mine is hate speech and contains no coarse language. Claiming that one hates beets is now hate speech? You’ve just rendered the term meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/59 "2016-06-08T23:05:09Z")
I think that was his point. The term has been watered down to the point of uselessness. Nerd = hate speech against trekkies and bookworms Jock = hate speech against athletes etc. I agree with him completely - God help me. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654/60 "2016-06-09T04:28:41Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I don’t think other users can see the infractions under somebody else’s profile - correct me if I am wrong. All we have to go on is what the mods say. And you said That sure looks to me like warning him especially when you mention the hate speech twice, and characterize the main reason for the warning as “mild”. > > _:shrugs:_ > > Once we reach the point of ‘I didn’t say what I said’, I suspect we have reached an impasse. > > Regards, > Shodan There was an impasse the second you decided to all smarmy and demonstrate you have no intent to actually discuss the issue. You say things to make the mods angry, so they will respond in anger so you can then nitpick what they say. It’s a shitty tactic, and it won’t get you what you want. Even if the mods did figure out they were wrong, they have no reason to actually tell you that they did and encourage you treating them in this jerkish manner. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-in-ali-rip-thread/756654.md?page=4)