# Hate speech - Jews vs. Gays **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 17, 2000, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606 "2000-11-17T16:33:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/21 "2000-11-19T18:40:18Z")
**The Ryan** > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by SpoilerVirgin_ > > I recently had a conversation with someone at work who told me that he home schools his children because he doesn’t want them to be taught that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle. > > I really can’t understand his attitude. Is he Christian? Public schools teach that non-Christianity is an acceptable lifestyle. Is he really that scared of his children be exposed to opposing viewpoints? The Ryan - I can’t understand his attitude either. He is Christian, and apparently he is that scared of homosexuality. You know, they have that _Homosexual Agenda_. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@The\_Tim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tim)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/22 "2000-11-19T21:12:14Z")
Slightly off topic, did anyone else see that Daily Show where they reported on the Homosexual agenda, which they had aquired from Homosexual headquarters. Included in it was brainwashing children via the teletubbies. Also I’ve always been curious about what happens if someone is both Jewish and Gay. Do they have to select which world dominating conspiracy they’re in or are they allowed to be in both? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/23 "2000-11-19T21:23:05Z")
There’s always some discrimination. And the excuses will always be the same. I hope that gays will not get mass murdered (understatement-much? =\> ). I don’t think they will, even with all the parallels between Hitler and today’s Christian Fundemantalists. Call me an idealist, but I don’t think many people, gay or not, would take it lying down. ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/24 "2000-11-19T21:28:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Tim \* > \*\*Also I’ve always been curious about what happens if someone is both Jewish and Gay. Do they have to select which world dominating conspiracy they’re in or are they allowed to be in both? 😉 \*\* I consulted my Jewish lesbian friend Elizabeth on this one. She says that it’s an even more elite clique. The heads of both empires, as it were. Beware the rainbow Star of David… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/25 "2000-11-19T22:15:54Z")
Tim said: > [@](#): > > Also I’ve always been curious about what happens if someone is both Jewish and Gay. Do they have to select which world dominating conspiracy they’re in or are they allowed to be in both? Actually, _They_ are the ones who have the real control. They just allow the other Jews and gays (individually) to believe they are in power. But it’s really the Gay Jewish Conspiracy that controls the world (not to be confused with the Jewish Gay Conspiracy, who _believe_ they control everything, but are actually dupes of the Gay Jewish Conspiracy). ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/26 "2000-11-19T22:36:23Z")
Bah! They are all mere pawns of us Secular Humanists… ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/27 "2000-11-19T22:37:29Z")
Oops…uh, Moderator, you’ll delete that last post, right? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@The\_Tim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tim)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/28 "2000-11-19T22:42:13Z")
Aren’t the secular humanists the pawns of the reverse vampires? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/29 "2000-11-19T23:16:25Z")
Isn’t there an article in the Onion about the Gay Recruitment Center? It’s pretty funny. ---
**Author:** ![Orshee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Orshee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orshee)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/30 "2000-11-19T23:37:48Z")
I dated a guy for a while whose mother was involved in some kind of weird born-again religion. During a long nighttime conversation, she revealed to me that she had proof that all major civilizations have been destroyed by homosexuals. To top that off, she told me that homosexuals invented the credit card to keep people in debt and ultimately destroy society. I asked her to show me some documentation for those claims (obviously I was preparing for a future life on this message board!) and she said she had it, but she never did show me any written proof. Surprise, surprise. But isn’t it scary that even a small group of people would believe something like that? She also believed that her daughter’s epilepsy was caused by “devil spirits.” Funny thing is, you wouldn’t know what a freak she was till you started really talking to her. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2000, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/31 "2000-11-20T02:49:30Z")
One particularly vicious bigot–in whom the parallel between Hitler and the Jews seems pretty discernible–is [Bob Enyart](http://www.enyart.com). He has [a whole page of quotes on homosexuals](http://www.enyart.com/quotes/homosexuals.html), which includes the following: “Homos do not deserve equal rights. The only rights homos should have is the right to a fair and speedy trial.” (Actually, he says this three different times. A model of coherent thought he ain’t.) You should also check out his crackpot new [Constitution of America](http://www.shadowgov.com/constitution/constitutionofamerica.html) and the [mission statement](http://www.shadowgov.com/mission.html) for his other website, [ShadowGov.com](http://www.shadowgov.com). Also check out his blueprint for how “Christians should govern America”, [Day One](http://www.enyart.com/writings/dayone.html). This is not to say that he has any mass following–any fool can put up a website or three; he used to have a radio show of some sort, but I think he had to fold it–but a genuinely scary man, nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2000, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/32 "2000-11-20T15:55:18Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **SpoilerVirgin** _ > > BTW, I haven’t said this before, but I think that the “Ask the Gay Guy” threads are the best thing I have ever read on the internet (and I surf a lot). I think you should consider writing a book – the information is valuable and has great potential to change lives. I’m humbled, and don’t think the idea hasn’t crossed my mind. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2000, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/33 "2000-11-20T16:03:44Z")
And let’s not forget that lovely video documentary entitled “The Gay Agenda,” as well. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **waterj2** _ > > What makes the Nazis so grotesque and incomprehensible was not the irrationality of their hatred, but its popularity and the lengths to which they went. As a matter of fact, I feel pretty secure knowing that using similar tactics, the anti-gay crowd is getting nowhere. Careful - Germany thought itself fairly enlightened at the time, and Hitler still managed to wrest control and take the nation to its horrible heights. I think the improvements of communication (not to mention that whole freedom of speech thing) are what keeps things at status quo today. People can be herded like sheep - under the right circumstances. > [@](#): > > Incidentally, is it me, or has it been a while since anyone on the boards has come out against gay right? I remember the days of CalifBoomer and ORION\*\*\*\*\*ORION and similar posters. Don’t speak their names lest they or their cohorts return! Exorcism in thread 5! Exorcism in thread 5, please! Esprix ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2000, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/34 "2000-11-25T15:07:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by SpoilerVirgin \* > > **I recently had a conversation with someone at work who told me that he home schools his children because he doesn’t want them to be taught that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle.** > > I really can’t understand his attitude. Is he Christian? Public schools teach that non-Christianity is an acceptable lifestyle. Is he really that scared of his children be exposed to opposing viewpoints? \*\* WOW! Do schools really teach that non-christianity is an acceptable lifestyle? That CHILLS me most of all! I don’t think that home schooling is the best answer. A strong parent has the greatest influence on his/her children. ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2000, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/35 "2000-11-25T16:46:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SpoilerVirgin \* > \*\ ***The Ryan** > > > [@](#): > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Originally posted by SpoilerVirgin_ > > > I recently had a conversation with someone at work who told me that he home schools his children because he doesn’t want them to be taught that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle. > > > > I really can’t understand his attitude. Is he Christian? Public schools teach that non-Christianity is an acceptable lifestyle. Is he really that scared of his children be exposed to opposing viewpoints? > > The Ryan - > > I can’t understand his attitude either. He is Christian, and apparently he is that scared of homosexuality. You know, they have that _Homosexual Agenda_. :rolleyes: \*\* I don’t think he is scared of homosexuality, I think he just wants to follow the laws of GOD. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2000, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/36 "2000-11-25T23:10:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > \*\*WOW! Do schools really teach that non-christianity is an acceptable lifestyle? That CHILLS me most of all! > > I don’t think that home schooling is the best answer. A strong parent has the greatest influence on his/her children.\*\* Are you serious, **Jersey** or being caustic? (Sorry, I’m clueless- sometimes I just can’t tell.) But judging from your last post, I wasn’t sure… ---
**Author:** ![Sterra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Sterra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterra)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2000, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/37 "2000-11-26T04:17:33Z")
You are clueless Zoggie:) ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2000, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/38 "2000-11-26T17:42:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > \*\* WOW! Do schools really teach that non-christianity is an acceptable lifestyle? That CHILLS me most of all! \*\* [/QUOTE] **JerseyDiamond** , are you trying to say that public schools should be teaching that my lifestyle (not being Christian) is wrong??? Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2000, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/39 "2000-11-26T18:54:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by zev\_steinhardt \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > > \*\* > > WOW! Do schools really teach that non-christianity is an acceptable lifestyle? That CHILLS me most of all! > \*\* **JerseyDiamond** , are you trying to say that public schools should be teaching that my lifestyle (not being Christian) is wrong??? Zev Steinhardt \*\* [/QUOTE] Zev Steinhardt, I don’t think that public schools should push any beliefs onto young and impressionable children. I think that it is the parents responsibility to show their children what they believe is right. No matter what you believe Zev, I would still be-friend you, and I would not try to push my beliefs on you. 🙂 I simply do not like the idea of a school teaching what is and isn’t acceptable in regards to religion. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2000, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606/40 "2000-11-26T21:44:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > \*\* > WOW! Do schools really teach that non-christianity is an acceptable lifestyle? That CHILLS me most of all! > \*\* > [@](#): > > - To which zev\_steinhardt responded:\* > \*\* > **JerseyDiamond** , are you trying to say that public schools should be teaching that my lifestyle (not being Christian) is wrong??? > \*\* > [@](#): > > _And JerseyDiamond answered:_ > \*\* > Zev Steinhardt, I don’t think that public schools should push any beliefs onto young and impressionable children. > I think that it is the parents responsibility to show their children what they believe is right. > No matter what you believe Zev, I would still be-friend you, and I would not try to push my beliefs on you. 🙂 > I simply do not like the idea of a school teaching what is and isn’t acceptable in regards to religion. > \*\* OK. So, if the public schools say that my lifestyle (as an Orthodox Jew) is acceptable, why does that scare you? Should they only teach a Christian lifestyle as an acceptable one? Zev Steinhardt [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-speech-jews-vs-gays/41606.md?page=3)