# Hate Wal-Mart? Get over to MD...NOW!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2004, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300 "2004-12-11T11:08:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2004, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/21 "2004-12-11T20:10:24Z")
> [@](#): > > The lawyer is going to present things in a light best for his client. The plaintiff’s attorney may well know that large organizations frequently communicate poorly but he’s SURE not going to highlight that. Oh, I’m sure a certain amount of that is lawyerly spin. However, in the spirit of fighting ignorance, I feel free to mock him. Either he is truly stupid enough to believe such nonsense (in which case he needs to go get a refund for his law degree), or he is cynically manipulating ignorant impressions for the monetary benefit of his clients, in which case he is one of those “greedy lawyers” against whom milum used to rage. He did not merely refrain from highlighting an understanding of corporate communications, he is, outside of court, actively promoting such nonsense. If he feels that grandstanding outside the courtroom with a disregard fot the facts is part of his job as a lawyer, I feel that I have a right to mock him: he can choose whether he is being mocked for stupidity or dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2004, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/22 "2004-12-11T21:14:06Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Go ahead, sign up. You can get up to $74,500 if you bought the new [Evanescence CD](http://entertainment.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=175750) at a Wal-Mart in Maryland. Come on fellow Dopers. Stick it to tha Man! Hell, I might race down there tomorrow just to cash in! The hatred of Wally World may finally pay off. People are finally standing up and saying, “We’re tired of complaining about how the workers are screwed! We’re going for $74,500 cuz little Suzie heard ‘Fuck’ in a song!” > Oh, I expect everyone defending the Super Bowl “wardrobe malfunction” fines to come and defend Wal-Mart over this slight _faux-pas_. Sheesh, duffer. What is this hard-on you have for Wal-Mart? I thought your “Wal-Mart can’t be critized because :eek: APPARENTLY THEY HAVE VERY LOW PRICES!” OP was pretty silly…but this association of folks who hate Wal-Mart for their treatment of workers with folks who want to cash in on the word “fuck” is beyond silly. They have nothing to do with each other. Why would you bother to conflate the two? Or is that a silly question :rolleyes: ? As far as defending Walmart for their faux pas, well…I will deplore the law suit just as much as I deplore CBS being fined. It’s ridiculous. However, as has been noted, Walmart was never required to provide “fuck” free music. They went out of their way to claim that’s what they were providing. And to call on work to be censored before they would carry it. So if that gets used against them now…well, I don’t think it should but I do think it qualifies as “Getting hoisted on your own petard”. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2004, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/23 "2004-12-11T23:21:39Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > Well, let’s be honest with ourselves. The lawyer is going to present things in a light best for his client. The plaintiff’s attorney may well know that large organizations frequently communicate poorly but he’s SURE not going to highlight that. > > Instead he’s going to paint Wal-Mart as the paragon of perfection, communications-wise, and try to hang them for selling this CD. But don’t all lawyers strive endlessly to uphold truth and justice? ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/24 "2004-12-12T01:08:26Z")
> [@MrFantsyPants](#): > > ah, some I’m not the only one wondering if maybe Duffer doesn’t respect us very much, eh? Nah, just you. Now. :rolleyes: Argh! I can’t defend Wal-Mart, I can’t cheer a major lawsuit against them. I see there is no pleasing anyone in regards to this company. This’ll be the last post in any thread dealing with Wal-Mart. Promise. ---
**Author:** ![Mikahw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Mikahw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikahw)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/25 "2004-12-12T02:58:12Z")
Really, it’s not fair. Does one side **have** to win? ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/26 "2004-12-12T03:01:27Z")
Lovely. Watching Wal-Mart, which (among its many sins) forces labels to sell clean versions of CDs at their stores getting pilloried by their allies in the Jesusification of America is great, because the more infighting these jerks do, and the more time **duffer** spends self-righteously defending them, the better for the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/27 "2004-12-12T03:33:31Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Argh! I can’t defend Wal-Mart, I can’t cheer a major lawsuit against them. I see there is no pleasing anyone in regards to this company. This’ll be the last post in any thread dealing with Wal-Mart. Promise. Or perhaps the people you seem to think you’re exposing as hypocrites can see the grey areas. ---
**Author:** ![Oat1957](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Oat1957](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oat1957)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/28 "2004-12-12T03:47:21Z")
I bought the first 3 seasons of The Soprano’s on DVD at Wal Mart. Not only do they include nudity but Tony say’s fuck every chance he gets. I also bought The Godfather boxed set. If Wal Mart is so intent on their so-called values why do they sell these DVD’s? These asshat’s case is bullshit and I’m ashamed it was filed in Maryland. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/29 "2004-12-12T05:26:30Z")
> [@Oat1957](#): > > These asshat’s case is bullshit and I’m ashamed it was filed in Maryland. Why are you ashamed a lawsuit is filed? This suit ain’t going nowhere. It has summary judgment written all over it. Of course, that’ll never get reported, because sensible tort judgments aren’t good copy. I wonder why they wasted the chance of an extra $499 by setting their request for relief at $74,500 rather than $74,999? ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/30 "2004-12-12T05:37:57Z")
I, for one, find it amusing that Walmart’s righteousness has bit them in the ass. Unfortunately, I see nothing changing as a result other than Walmart becoming more vigilent in harassing artists about their content. Seems to me that if the parents want to censor what their daughter hears, they ought to be listening to the music themselves first instead of relying on a huge corporation to do it for them. It’s their own fault for buying into Walmart’s righteous marketing scheme. I’m also sorry to say that if parents think they’re shielding their children from hearing any offensive language, they’re sadly mistaken. It’s a losing battle. Why make such a fuss over it? Isn’t it easier to choose not to be offended by it? Sheesh, it’s just a word. Surely, it didn’t scar her life. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/31 "2004-12-12T05:40:51Z")
> [@Oat1957](#): > > I bought the first 3 seasons of The Soprano’s on DVD at Wal Mart. Not only do they include nudity but Tony say’s fuck every chance he gets. I also bought The Godfather boxed set. > > If Wal Mart is so intent on their so-called values why do they sell these DVD’s? Those DVDs have warning labels. The Evanescence CD did not. ---
**Author:** ![mrunlucky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@mrunlucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrunlucky)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/32 "2004-12-12T08:28:23Z")
Did anyone ever die from hearing the F word? This is ridiculous. Wal-Mart is a corporation, not a baby sitter. People need to learn to become adult and take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming the rest of the world. If people are so mortally afraid of curse words in rock music, don’t buy ROCK music. Buy classical music or something. Chances are more likely kids are going to hear the F word from other kids, or from movies they aren’t supposed to be able to get into, or from TV, or from the Internet, or from other people in the street of all places. Exposure to the F word does not turn people into lunatics. Parents, the type who sue corporations over the sale of a rock music album, are the ones who turn people into lunatics by setting examples of moronic, non-accountable, blaming behavior. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/33 "2004-12-12T13:03:47Z")
> [@villa](#): > > I wonder why they wasted the chance of an extra $499 by setting their request for relief at $74,500 rather than $74,999? Damage rollback. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/34 "2004-12-12T23:43:38Z")
[hijack] One more reason to [hate](http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/magazine/12WALMART.html) them. > [@](#): > > voters were most upset by something else: Wal-Mart’s initiative would have exempted the company from Inglewood’s zoning, planning and environmental laws and established a provision whereby the deal could be altered only by a two-thirds vote of the public. :eek: [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/35 "2004-12-12T23:44:40Z")
> [@villa](#): > > I wonder why they wasted the chance of an extra $499 by setting their request for relief at $74,500 rather than $74,999? The ability of a defendant to remove a state case to Federal court if there is diversity of citizenship between the parties and the amount in controversy is over $75,000. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/36 "2004-12-12T23:49:27Z")
> [@Random](#): > > The ability of a defendant to remove a state case to Federal court if there is diversity of citizenship between the parties and the amount in controversy is over $75,000. I know that. That is why I wondered why they set it at $74,500 rather than $74,999. I would have hoped that indicated that I wasn’t unaware of the Amount in Controversy requirement (especially seeing as I take a Federal Courts exam on Tuesday). ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/37 "2004-12-13T00:50:21Z")
> [@](#): > > I dunno. Wal-Mart has a long history of wanting only ‘clean’ music and such in their stores. If one got past well, then, it did. > > But it’s not like they’re not making the effort already. And they are well known for clean music, and because of that people who decide to buy from Walmart do so because they want or require ‘clean music’. Now when one goes out of their way and fights the crowds of a national (international?) strip mall store, just to buy a ‘clean’ version of a song, and DON"T get it. I am fully in support in hanging Walmart by their own rope. I say they are MORE liable because they censure. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/38 "2004-12-13T01:17:37Z")
> [@](#): > > I say they are MORE liable because they censure. Actually, I have never seen an instance where Wal-Mart condemned anyone’s actions. On the other hand, they _might_ be more liable because they have attempted to limit customers’ exposures to certain expressions in their entertainment sales. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Oat1957](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Oat1957](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oat1957)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/39 "2004-12-13T01:41:59Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Those DVDs have warning labels. > > The Evanescence CD did not. I don’t recall any warning labels on any of the DVD’s. I called my son who works at Wal Mart and he said the DVD’s don’t have warning labels. Wal Mart’s web site doesn’t contain any warnings for the [Sopranos](http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2403955&cat=45408&type=2&dept=4096&path=0%3A4096%3A45408) ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300/40 "2004-12-13T13:26:19Z")
I’m a bit more concerned about how Wal-Mart’s unfair business terms forces suppliers to send their factories overseas or go out of business, seriously undermining the American infrastructure. Die, Wal-Mart, die. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hate-wal-mart-get-over-to-md-now/279300.md?page=3)