# Have 2 leaders of different countries ever had sex with each other? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632 "2017-01-31T02:42:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/1 "2017-01-31T02:42:43Z")
I wonder if 2 leaders of different countries have ever had an affair with each other or got married ? The only instances I can think of would be relations between the various royal families in Europe and even then it was not the leaders but the princesses and princes usually. The most notable example would be Elizabeth II and Prince Philip. Any other examples? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/2 "2017-01-31T02:45:46Z")
Mary I of England and Philip II of Spain. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/3 "2017-01-31T02:46:37Z")
> [@ssgenius](#): > > The most notable example would be Elizabeth II and Prince Philip. Philip was never the leader of another country. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/4 "2017-01-31T02:48:29Z")
King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella I of Castile, whose marriage united the two kingdoms. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/5 "2017-01-31T03:02:38Z")
Antony and Cleopatra. StG ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/6 "2017-01-31T03:02:40Z")
Talk about not wanting to “marry down.” ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/7 "2017-01-31T03:05:50Z")
Hedwig/Jadwiga of Poland and Jogaila of Lithuania, another marriage that united two states to create the largest realm in 14th/15th century Europe. Also Jadwiga’s sister, Mary of Hungary and Sigismund of Luxembourg ( eventually King of Bohemia and HRE ) a marriage which attempted but failed to do the same thing, presaging the later Habsburg state. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/8 "2017-01-31T03:12:37Z")
Philip IV of France and Joan I of Navarre is another one. ---
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/9 "2017-01-31T03:16:36Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Philip was never the leader of another country. I know that. It was the closest example I could think of. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/10 "2017-01-31T03:25:45Z")
Didn’t one of the Roman Emperors (Hadrian?) have a physical relationship with one of the barbarian kings or leaders? I vaguely remember reading about this but it could be just a SDMB legend. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/11 "2017-01-31T03:47:18Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > Antony and Cleopatra. > > StG Julius Caesar and Cleo too, but Julie was part of a triumvirate at the time. I doubt that Cleo did her brother, even though they were married. ---
**Author:** ![NetTrekker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nettrekker/32/2909_2.png) [@NetTrekker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NetTrekker)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/12 "2017-01-31T03:51:33Z")
Let’s see, who were the prime ministers when Bill Clinton was in office? Or JFK for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/13 "2017-01-31T04:20:22Z")
Eleonor of Aquitaine, then an independent Duchy, first married Louis VII of France, and then when that marriage was annulled Henry II of England. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/14 "2017-01-31T05:41:54Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Eleonor of Aquitaine, then an independent Duchy, first married Louis VII of France, and then when that marriage was annulled Henry II of England. Eleanor was a badass. She rode bare-breasted to the Crusades. Mary Queen of Scots and Francis II of France. Maria Theresa of Austria and Francis, Duke of Lorraine. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/15 "2017-01-31T08:13:19Z")
Are we talking dynastic marriages where the marriage took place before one or other party had actually had become top dog? If so, Mary Duchess of Burgundy, whose marriage to Maximilian Hapsburg (later Holy Romen Emperor) brought the whole of Burgundy and the Low Countries into the Hapsburg domains, and through their son’s marriage to the daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella, also put the Hapsburgs on top in Spain. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/16 "2017-01-31T08:41:02Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella I of Castile, whose marriage united the two kingdoms. Only in personal union, and only two regnants later for Castille and one for Aragon (that is, in their grandson). Queen Blanca I of Navarre and King Juan I of Aragon (Ferdinand II’s father, by the wife after Blanca). ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/17 "2017-01-31T09:56:37Z")
This isn’t the same thing, but, for what it’s worth, Graça Simbine was married to Samora Machel for 11 years and to Nelson Mandela for 15 years. She’s still alive, so maybe she can marry a third president of a country. She’s apparently the only person to ever be married to presidents of two countries: > **[Graça Machel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gra%C3%A7a_Machel)** > > Graça Machel DBE HonFBA (Portuguese pronunciation: \[ˈɡɾasɐ mɐˈʃɛl\]; née Simbine \[sĩˈbinɨ\]; born 17 October 1945) is a Mozambican politician and humanitarian. She is the widow of former President of Mozambique Samora Machel (1975–1986) and former President of South Africa Nelson Mandela (1998–2013). Machel is an international advocate for women's and children's rights and was made an honorary British Dame by Queen Elizabeth II in 1997 for her humanitarian work. She is the only woman in modern h... ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/18 "2017-01-31T12:40:14Z")
Mary Queen of Scots, married Francis II OF France. He ascended to the throne a year after the marriage, though, and didn’t rule very long. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/19 "2017-01-31T14:33:48Z")
From Wiki, I get this: > [@](#): > > William III (Dutch: Willem; 4 November 1650 – 8 March 1702; also widely known as William of Orange) was sovereign Prince of Orange from birth, Stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelderland, and Overijssel in the Dutch Republic from 1672, and King of England, Ireland, and Scotland from 1689 until his death. Now sovereign prince is not king, but it sounds like he was the big chief of Orange. I don’t know what Stadtholder means, but it also sounds like the big cheese. So when he married Mary, two sovereigns were joined. Maybe someone more versed in European history can explain this further. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632/20 "2017-01-31T18:57:14Z")
William also continued to rule England after Mary’s death. They were cousins, and he was third in line to the English throne (after Mary’s younger sister Anne), so everybody just said, okay, let him have it. And when he died with no heirs, Anne became Queen of England anyway. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-2-leaders-of-different-countries-ever-had-sex-with-each-other/778632.md?page=2)