Have 2 leaders of different countries ever had sex with each other?

George W. Bush gave Angela Merkel a backrub.

Bush and Tony Blair look like they came pretty close:

Trump and Theresa May held hands. That’s probably as close as Trump comes to sex.

If you think there aren’t clauses in Melania’s prenup on this issue, you’ve got more faith in humanity than I do.

It’s interesting that all the examples given so far have been monarchs of one sort or another. This strikes me as a more robust variation of the McDonald’s rule of international relations: no two heads of state from countries that have McDonald’s franchises (or democratic systems) will have sex.

“Santa-Putin is here…! Ho-ho-ho? What you like, Trump-baby? Brunette this time?”

I’m gonna naysay this one if you don’t mind. Aquitaine wasn’t remotely independent. The southern portion ( duchy of Gascony, often not listed separately after it was acquired by the dukes of Aquitaine in 1053, but see the map where it labeled here )was an allod until ~1259 I believe, but still considered on the whole part of the French crown in this period. The more important northern part ( duchy of Aquitaine proper ) was held of the French crown and the dukes absolutely had to perform homage to the king for their lands. Aquitaine was part of France and Eleanor was a French vassal - there was no independence in any political sense.

Henry II I’ll give you a kinda, maybe. Yes, he was king of England. But he too was a French vassal, son of a French count, born and raised in France, spoke a French dialect as his first language ( and only a little English, which he never became fully fluent in ) and after his early reign probably paid as much or more attention to his French territories than his English ones.

So instead of two points ( Louis and Eleanor, Henry and Eleanor ), I’m more inclined to score you at 1/2 :).

Also that Eleanor bare-breasted on Crusade thing? Very doubtful ;). A lot of rumors were spread about her from that period that reflected an attempt to make her appear…eh…“loose.” Fallout from that failed marriage with king Louis, medieval notions ( especially medieval clerics ) about the morality of womanhood and an interesting regional bias of dominant northern French ( especially northern French clerics ) of the “sensuous” ( and hence sinful ) southern French.

I think we’d be adding a whole lot more in if we did. I’m not sure where the OP was going, but I was trying to think of two people who were genuine sovereigns ( even if only technically ) of different states outside each others political framework. So Mary of Burgundy wasn’t sovereign - she was a vassal of the French crown for her French lands and a vassal of the HRE for her German ones. In that sense Maximilian was from the same “country” as a Mary, not a different one.

But of course the HRE is a tricky one, especially as you get farther along in history and the unity of the state becomes more and more theoretical. Are 17th century Saxony and Bavaria different countries or not?

For some reason, every time I read this thread title I have an image of Maggie Thatcher, helmet-hair and all, on the prowl at a Commonwealth Conference …

I just threw up a little in my mouth, and not just for the Maggie imagery.

Tangentially, I think Tracy Ullman’s Angela-Merkel-as-wannabe-sexpot sketches on her new HBO show are hilarious. Here’s one example, but she’s done more: https://youtu.be/J138HPgD_ZM

Do you want to throw up a LOT in your mouth? Pres Bush flirtingwith the Queen of England.

What I was trying to get at is that quite often these leaders will see each other at conferences, summits and similar events.
Also, it doesn’t have to be the president/prime minster/monarch either, it could be any one in the top levels of the governments that this could be expanded to.
Most of these leaders had gone through a (in most cases) a grueling process to be elected and often will have had similar experiences that they can relate to.

What I was asking is whether any of these relations progressed any further than just these meetings.

Obviously, it has only be recently that there has been significant numbers of females in the upper levels of government for this to occur. I could be wrong but this may have already happened a few times but everything was kept quiet especially if it was a one off occurrence or a short affair.
The other reason I suspect that this may occur is that if one looks at sports stars/actresses, it is not unusual for them to pair up with each other.

ie Steffi Graff/Andre Agassi Brad Pitt/Angelina Jolie to give some famous examples

However, considering the 24/7 limelight many of these people are under, it may be difficult to keep quiet for very long.

Antony was the one in a triumvirate at (or, well, for some of) the time. Caesar’s triumvirate was very much dead at the point when he started banging the queen, as were (spoiler alert) both of his fellow triumvirs. Caesar arrived in Egypt immediately following (did I say spoiler alert?) Pompey’s unfortunate demise. Cleo was actually in Rome at the time of Caesar’s (extra massive spoiler alert here) assassination.

I have not heard of this, although it doesn’t sound likely to me right off the bat. I do know that the Emperor Titus had a relationship with the Jewish queen Berenice. Not sure if she counts as leader of a country, though, as she was very much a Roman client monarch.

To get back on Caesar for a second, though, he was of course alleged to have had an affair with king Nicomedes of Bithynia, something that he never heard the end of. That was in Caesar’s youth, though, before he got into the ruling business.

Sorry, but i’m going with Tamerlane here, although i’ll be even more definitive: this didn’t happen.

Source: “Prologue,” in Eleanor of Aquitaine: Lord and Lady, (ed. Bonnie Wheeler and John Carmi Parsons), Palgrave/Macmillan, 2002, p. vvii.

A much earlier piece, from 1941, also took issue with this view of Eleanor:

Source: Frank McMinn Chambers, “Some Legends Concerning Eleanor of Aquitaine,” Speculum Vol. 16, No. 4 (Oct., 1941), p. 460.

[Although you need JSTOR access to read the full article.]

Aw come on, Eleanor even says it in The Lion in Winter. She should know. :slight_smile:

I know, right? All the best stories…

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Maybe not, but he is worshiped as a god in Vanuatu.

Well, he and the Queen are descended from Wotan…

This one is a bit confusing.

William was Sovereign Prince of Orange from his birth (in 1650), but the territory of the Principality was annexed to France in 1673, after which the title was nominal only. William didn’t marry Mary until 1677, so he wasn’t then the sovereign ruler (or the ruler in any sense) of Orange.

Nor, for that matter, was Mary a sovereign or a ruler; she was but a humble princess. England and Scotland at the time were ruled by her uncle, Charles I and, while it was possible that she would inherit the thrones, it was pretty unlikely. She only succeeded to the throne 12 years later, when parliament intervened to deem her father, James II, to have abdicated, and to exclude her brother, James Francis, from the succession.

William was, at the time of the marriage, Stadhouder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht and several other Netherlandish provinces. The Stadhouder was orginally a kind of Lord Lieutenant, appointed to represent the Duke of Burgundy (the sovereign) in the province. (This was necessary because the Duke had bigger fish to fry elsewhere, when he became Emperor and also King of Spain.) About a century before William’s time the Netherlandish provinces had successfully rebelled and declared themselves a republic. Stadhouders continued to be appointed but they now acted on behalf not of the Duke of Burgundy, but of the States (parliament) of the province. It was the States which appointed the stadhouder of each province.

It was not uncommon for the same person to be appointed stadhouder of more than one province. Over time, in practice the office of stadhouder became hereditary in one family, so the option open to a province was (a) appoint the head of that family, or (b) appoint no stadhouder. At the time of his marriage William was stadhouder of five out of (I think) seven provinces. (Hendrik-Casimir II of Nassau was stadhouder of the other two.)

The stadhouder technically was not a sovereign, but he was the chief executive, and I think it’s fair to call William the ruler of the Netherlands, and certainly fair to call him the rule of the five provinces of which he was stadhouder. But it wasn’t until 12 years later, in 1689, that Mary became Queen of England and Scotland (and William became King of England and Scotland, while continuing on as stadhouder). Only then do you have the rulers of two countries married to one another.

And, not be indelicate or anything, but it’s not certain that William and Mary were still having sex at that point. Mary’s last pregnancy was in 1680, when she was 18, and from that time on William is known to have kept Elizabeth Villiers as his mistress, while his enemies alleged that he was homosexual. Mary died in 1694 at the age of 32.

Does it count that Peter III of Russia and Catherine the Great had sex, even though she didn’t become ruler until after his death?
What about Catherine I and Peter the Great, even though she didn’t rule until after his death?
Philip IV of France was married to Queen Joan of Navarre.

Julius Caesar was widely asserted to have had sex with King Nicomedes IV of Bithynia. If this happened at all, though, it happened long before he became de facto ruler of Rome.